A Question for the AR Guys...

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Discussion Starter · Jul 13, 2007

I'm not a big fan of the M16 or M4 by any stretch of the word, however, I am kicking around the idea of joining the Air Force Security Forces. Therefore, I need to know a few things about the system in general, and I am looking to buy one to get familiar with. I am currently looking at the Bushmaster model #BCW3AF 16M4.

www.bushmaster.com/shopping/weapons/bcwa3f16m4.asp

My questions are as follows:

1. Is the Bushmaster really worth the $1200+?
2. Are other brands of uppers compatible with this lower?
3. I'm considering NFA ownership in the future. Will Automatic Uppers work
with this lower. If not, what do I need to consider when making that particular decision?

4. Will this particular base serve well for future upgrades and modifications? If so, what are the limitations to consider?

I've been contemplating buying an assault type rifle for a while, but I'm not real crazy about any of the available designs. Honestly I don't know any "assault rifles" I'm fond of at all. Quite frankly, I think that the military made a mistake when it adopted the M16 in favor of the M1 series of rifles. However, being a realist, I know that I live in the world in which I live and it will not bend to my will. Therefore, here I am.

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Discussion Starter · #2 · Jul 13, 2007

Honestly if you really don't want one don't bother getting one just to get famaliar (SP?) with the system. The Air Force if they choose to issue you one will teach you what you need to know about it.

If you shop around you can get other brands for 500 dollars less.

3. I'm considering NFA ownership in the future. Will Automatic Uppers work
with this lower. If not, what do I need to consider when making that particular decision?

The upper dosen't make the weapon full auto, the lower does. The lower is the acutal "firearm" as far as the ATF is concerned. You can have hundreds of uppers shipped straight to your front door but the lower has to be shipped though an FLL holder. If you want a full auto lower you better start saving your pennies not even counting all the paperwork costs you are looking at enough money to buy some new cars to get a full auto lower.

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Discussion Starter · #3 · Jul 13, 2007

Simple. Because I can.

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Discussion Starter · #4 · Jul 13, 2007

Also you have to look at it this way. Unless you are married you will probabaly be living on base for a pretty good while. personal firearms on base in your billeting is a BIG TIME NO NO. You have to check the weapon in at your armory and trust a bunch of armorers to watch over your firearms.

Also during your basic and other training you won't even get to see this firearm for upwards of a year. If you get deployed as soon as you get out of school you are looking at even longer time before you get to shoot it again.

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Discussion Starter · #5 · Jul 13, 2007

As a matter of fact, I am married. As far as the gun goes while I'm in service, I have a nice safe that will fit well in my father's house. He'll look after things for me without too much teeth pulling. Besides I haven't yet commited to whether I want to go the full time route or the guard route.

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Discussion Starter · #6 · Jul 13, 2007

do you always talk/write like this

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Discussion Starter · #7 · Jul 13, 2007

LOL for the most part, why?

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Discussion Starter · #8 · Jul 13, 2007

ok.... that will prob change when you join up

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Discussion Starter · #9 · Jul 13, 2007

I'm not sure I follow what you mean.

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Discussion Starter · #10 · Jul 13, 2007

you seem to cut short on your writing... have a cockyness to it...

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Discussion Starter · #11 · Jul 13, 2007

That could be. I never really thought about the way I write except to get to the point and then move on to other things.

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Discussion Starter · #12 · Jul 13, 2007

DMWyatt said:
That could be. I never really thought about the way I write except to get to the point and then move on to other things.

its good and its bad.. just dont talk to your superiors like that...

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Discussion Starter · #13 · Jul 13, 2007

Somehow I don't think it will be a problem. Seems to me they'll let me know exactly how they want to be addressed and when. If I screw up I'm sure I'll find out the hard way.

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Discussion Starter · #14 · Jul 13, 2007

i know i did... jsut dont laugh in basic...

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Discussion Starter · #15 · Jul 13, 2007

If drill instructors are anything like the retired Marine that was the drum instructor when I played for the local baton corps, then I doubt I'll have much time or energy to laugh about anything. At any rate, you've obviously had experience with the M16. What do you think of it?

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Discussion Starter · #16 · Jul 13, 2007

Comparing an Air Force Training Instructor to a Marine is like comparing a .22lr to a .50cal

Us wingers are still issued M16A2s. Older models for sure. I do not like them at all. However you have to remember that issue weapons are really beat up and worn a lot of times. Especially when it comes to rear echelon troops that don't pull triggers day in and day out.

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Discussion Starter · #17 · Jul 13, 2007

True. (just don't let a marine hear you say that...lol) Just had to go with the only personal connection I could make.

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Discussion Starter · #18 · Jul 13, 2007

DMWyatt said:
1. Is the Bushmaster really worth the $1200+?

hell no

you can build one for 800

build your own if you really want to know it

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Discussion Starter · #19 · Jul 13, 2007

I am a Marine.

My best friend went though Air Force basic down in San Antonio the same week I left for boot camp in San Diego. After getting back and talking to him while we were both at home on leave I can honestly say that the Air Force can't hold a candle to the Marine Corps.

Every Marine is a rifleman. Even the females are taught this.

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Discussion Starter · #20 · Jul 13, 2007

jeepinbanditrider said:
I am a Marine.

My best friend went though Air Force basic down in San Antonio the same week I left for boot camp in San Diego. After getting back and talking to him while we were both at home on leave I can honestly say that the Air Force can't hold a candle to the Marine Corps.

Every Marine is a rifleman. Even the females are taught this.

i know a few airforce guys that will out shoot a grunt anyday

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