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Discussion Starter · #1 ·
I am looking at a aimpoint to put on my flattop but I am worried since there is no magnification that the front sight post will block my view, if I get the cantilever mount will it move it up enough ?
 
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If you raise it beyond the FSP you'll end up with a Chin-weld rather than cheek. If the FSP is that much of an issue, ditch it for a low profile block or flip-up.

The cantilever mount will get you typically into a lower 1/3rd co-witness kind of range. Then again if you are actually seeing the FSP in the AP Field of View, then you aren't using the red dot correctly.

Look through the dot and focus on the target. Your brain will handle the details. You won't typically even see the FSP when looking through and past the dot at the target. Kinda the same way it works with a magnified optic and the FSP just being seriously blurred out of the picture.
 
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Discussion Starter · #4 ·
If you raise it beyond the FSP you'll end up with a Chin-weld rather than cheek. If the FSP is that much of an issue, ditch it for a low profile block or flip-up.

The cantilever mount will get you typically into a lower 1/3rd co-witness kind of range. Then again if you are actually seeing the FSP in the AP Field of View, then you aren't using the red dot correctly.

Look through the dot and focus on the target. Your brain will handle the details. You won't typically even see the FSP when looking through and past the dot at the target. Kinda the same way it works with a magnified optic and the FSP just being seriously blurred out of the picture.
+1. I have a cantilever w/my Aimpoint and I have a fixed front sight. You don't even notice that the FS is there at all. I don't think you'll have any problems at all with it. ;)
 
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Discussion Starter · #7 ·
No, but it sure beats having to waste seconds wondering where your front sight is if your dot goes dead. ;) Oh wait, it doesn't matter, you've been shot and mortally wounded :shock:

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Alas, my remarkable dragon skin body armor is supreme! :mrgreen:

Guess I'm used to my carry handle mount. If my AP takes a crap, I can instantly just look through the irons. No BUIS to flip up or engage.
 
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Discussion Starter · #8 ·
I don't even know what to tell you Nikon, sure a carry handle mount works (been there, done that even if a bit different that those who top mount their optics), but it is the most effective configuration? Hardly... tens of thousands of active shooters use co-witness configurations and I'll bet if you ask the guys doing the shooting for a living (MIL) you'll find that absolute and lower 3rd co-witnessing configurations are absolutely dominant.

Does it take stepping out of your comfort zone to learn the change in setup effectively .. oh yeah, but as most of us should know, there is always room to learn how to be better and if you have a weapon with the known possibility of having to use it to defend you and yours, wouldn't you think that learning new and better ways to employ that tool would be advantageous?

Look, if this is a purely Look Cool tool, then fine set it up how ever your in depth movie goer experience tells you. If this is a tool that may save your life, then how can anyone expect to retain a static configuration or setup when fighting styles and methods are constantly evolving?

For myself, I'm chomping at the bit to employ some of the things I've learned over the winter to the actual and difficult training I've been designing for the last month. I can't wait to push my students and self to go well beyond where we are right now. Part of that is using the sighting systems more effectively and in as realistic an environment as I can provide. It'll never be enough and I sure as hell ain't Pat Rogers or Larry Vickers, but I take a page from their book and look to stretch beyond my comfort zone.

Using iron sights in a co-witnessed configuration is something that may save your life. Murphy loves gun fights and other high stress situations. Optics fail and they fail when you may need them the most, being able to immediately transition to your back up sights might very well save your life.
 
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Discussion Starter · #9 ·
I don't even know what to tell you Nikon, sure a carry handle mount works (been there, done that even if a bit different that those who top mount their optics), but it is the most effective configuration? Hardly... tens of thousands of active shooters use co-witness configurations and I'll bet if you ask the guys doing the shooting for a living (MIL) you'll find that absolute and lower 3rd co-witnessing configurations are absolutely dominant.
Sure, doesn't mean what the masses use Is what I like personally though, but I see your point.

Does it take stepping out of your comfort zone to learn the change in setup effectively .. oh yeah, but as most of us should know, there is always room to learn how to be better and if you have a weapon with the known possibility of having to use it to defend you and yours, wouldn't you think that learning new and better ways to employ that tool would be advantageous?
Agreed, always room to improve, but better for who? I'm not totally against the co witness, Id just prefer a clean sight picture.

For myself, I'm chomping at the bit to employ some of the things I've learned over the winter to the actual and difficult training I've been designing for the last month. I can't wait to push my students and self to go well beyond where we are right now. Part of that is using the sighting systems more effectively and in as realistic an environment as I can provide. It'll never be enough and I sure as hell ain't Pat Rogers or Larry Vickers, but I take a page from their book and look to stretch beyond my comfort zone.

Using iron sights in a co-witnessed configuration is something that may save your life. Murphy loves gun fights and other high stress situations. Optics fail and they fail when you may need them the most, being able to immediately transition to your back up sights might very well save your life.
Agreed. Train, train, train.
 
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Discussion Starter · #10 ·
Honestly, the best reason to co-witness in one form or another is Mr. Murphy. If nothing else, zero the sights and then flip them down and out of the sight picture. I would suspect that having a "pure" and uncluttered sight picture would have been the inspiration for the flip downs, but I wasn't there :)
 
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Honestly, the best reason to co-witness in one form or another is Mr. Murphy. If nothing else, zero the sights and then flip them down and out of the sight picture. I would suspect that having a "pure" and uncluttered sight picture would have been the inspiration for the flip downs, but I wasn't there :)
Yeah but you were right about the low profile blocks. So Ill skip the flip down sights meant for the railed block. Ill probably just get a riser if I go with a tech, or Get a lower 1/3 mount if I go with another Aimpoint. I like the reticle on the tech, but love the battery life on the point. Decisions decisions.

Im kinda' diggin the Masada now too, despite all my trash talking about them pushing back the release dates and the availability when they do ship.
 
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