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Discussion Starter #1
I picked up two of these red dot lser sighted scopes at a gun show yesterday brand new for $150 each. I got two, because my dad just got an AR-15 and I am thinking of pickin one up here in the next few months. What's the best deal you've seen on these scopes? Online I can't find em for under $425 and the local gun shops charge $475.
 
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At that price it would be my guess that you got a Hong Kong replica/clone. You may have gotten a hell of a deal.... but I doubt it.

Don't mount them or shoot with them until you verify they are authentic.

Do you have contact info for the folks you bought it from? You also may try to call or email Aimpoint to verify the serial numbers with them. Perhaps a long shot, but it may work.

If they do turn out to be clones and the seller won't give you a refund, see if you find them at the next gunshow, don't say anything to the guy but just stand their. Every time someone comes along to look at the Aimpoints, tell the potential buyer they are clones, and can get the same thing on ebay for around or under $40. It'll cost the guy in lost sales, and by then he may offer you a refund so you go away.
 
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Ajcrash said:
At that price it would be my guess that you got a Hong Kong replica/clone. You may have gotten a hell of a deal.... but I doubt it.

Don't mount them or shoot with them until you verify they are authentic.

Do you have contact info for the folks you bought it from? You also may try to call or email Aimpoint to verify the serial numbers with them. Perhaps a long shot, but it may work.

If they do turn out to be clones and the seller won't give you a refund, see if you find them at the next gunshow, don't say anything to the guy but just stand their. Every time someone comes along to look at the Aimpoints, tell the potential buyer they are clones, and can get the same thing on ebay for around or under $40. It'll cost the guy in lost sales, and by then he may offer you a refund so you go away.
Oh no don't tell me they're clones!! The guy was at the gun show, and said he gets all his merchandise from military and he seemed to have a lot of them, they sure looked authentic, how do you tell the difference?? So if they're clones does that mean they're **** or what??
 
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Discussion Starter #5
You either got a China clone or a graymarket optic...new ones from reputable dealers are in the $400-$450 range.
 
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Discussion Starter #6
I have a TacPoint on my M4gery and it works fine. I paid somewhere in the $125 range for it several years ago...no harm in owning a clone if you know it is a clone...most of them work just as well as the original (for routine civilian use).

If you find out you got a true Aimpoint, please send me the guys contact info, because I want one!!!
 
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Discussion Starter #8
Ah something I just noticed both of them read the exact same numbers....

Aimpoint CompM2 4MOA
10338#240944

It looks like they are clones, he was selling a lot of them to people when we bought ours. I just thought maybe we where getting a great deal. I should have wondered when they didn't come in any boxes...I just hope they still work fine, and don't crap out or are inaccurate.
 
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Discussion Starter #9
Looks like a nice sight...let us know if it sights in, remains on zero, and survives a couple hundred rounds.

My TacPoint would hold zero if I would quit messin' with the mount, etc.:p
 
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Mac45 said:
Ah something I just noticed both of them read the exact same numbers....

Aimpoint CompM2 4MOA
10338#240944

It looks like they are clones, he was selling a lot of them to people when we bought ours. I just thought maybe we where getting a great deal. I should have wondered when they didn't come in any boxes...I just hope they still work fine, and don't crap out or are inaccurate.
Yeah i was just gonna say, you can tell they are clones by the power switch. Its a dead give away.
 
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nikon777 said:
Yeah i was just gonna say, you can tell they are clones by the power switch. Its a dead give away.
What do you mean?? I don't know what you're seeing that i'm not.
 
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Mac45 said:
What do you mean?? I don't know what you're seeing that i'm not.
Well if your used to the real thing, you notice small subtleties that some one unfamiliar may not. The rubber ring/gasket on the power switch in your picture did it for me. In your pic it sits flush with the diameter of the power switch. On a real aimpoint it doesn't, the gasket is recessed and doesn't sit flush.

Look closely on this pic, look at the rubber ring behind the power switch:

 
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If it works OK and you are fine with it, then everything is cool.

Myself I'd just be ticked that the scope was represented as an original (especially considering clones can be bought in the $40 range, not $150). If he says he gets them from the military, I would assume for the price that they had been used "in-country" and I would look for the abuse they would have been subjected to. Scratches, dings, dirty, etc. I haven't seen either an EOtech or Aimpoint on ebay that is being sold by someone that has been to Iraq or Afghanistan that wasn't beat up pretty good, with one exception on an EO, and it still had some of those present just not that bad.

You may be able to call Aimpoint to verify the serial numbers, but it sounds like the realization that you got clones has already hit.

If you can contact the seller, and hope he does the right thing. If not, you can always submarine him at the next gunshow.
 
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Discussion Starter #14
Another difference, although it doesn't affect quality, is that it is tagged differently with all that gold lettering.

My aimpoint has no such lettering painted on the side. The lettering on the protective caps is not gold...it's embossed into the caps.
 
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Discussion Starter #15
Take a look here, this what an original Aimpoint should look like.
http://www.army-technology.com/contractors/machine_guns/aimpoint/aimpoint1.html

Then there is this one from ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/AIMPOINT-M2-RED-DOT-SIGHT-WITH-CANTILEVER-MOUNT-h96_W0QQitemZ170075225713QQihZ007QQcategoryZ66827QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting

If you notice, the ebay example also has the same serial number as the one you bought at the gunshow.

Please keep us posted on how this turns out.

Any chance you'd like to reveal the seller? If he's a guy that roams with the gunshow throughout the states, I sure as hell would like to avoid him.
 
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Discussion Starter #16
If you know the company, you can contact the better business bureau and advise them of the fraudulent products sold by the dirtbag.

And on the other hand, that "clone" you have will serve you well; civilians dont abuse these for the most past so its not really neccessary to have a milspec aiming device. As long as it keeps a zero, I'm golden, I dont fast rope with optics anymore.

Remember Aimpoints are grunt proof.
 
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Discussion Starter #17
Its funny even the ebay ones represent it as the real thing. I see a lot of knock off stuff on ebay for many items Car Stuff, Electronics etc etc not just gun stuff and usally somehwere they let you know its a fake by using works like style or others. This one they don't for $40 I am almost intrested in trying one. Sucks that dude ripped you, I know the gun shows around me rarly is there a good deal to be found from a vender, and when there is I always wondering why.
 
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Discussion Starter #18
GaryTx said:
Another difference, although it doesn't affect quality, is that it is tagged differently with all that gold lettering.

My aimpoint has no such lettering painted on the side. The lettering on the protective caps is not gold...it's embossed into the caps.
That is exactly like mine, I noticed the paint first then the lettering on the covers. My caps are embossed and the side has a lazer-etched lettering, not paint.

Unless you own one or do your homework, that clone (if it is) didn't look too far off.
 
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Corey G said:
Its funny even the ebay ones represent it as the real thing. I see a lot of knock off stuff on ebay for many items Car Stuff, Electronics etc etc not just gun stuff and usally somehwere they let you know its a fake by using works like style or others. This one they don't for $40 I am almost intrested in trying one. Sucks that dude ripped you, I know the gun shows around me rarly is there a good deal to be found from a vender, and when there is I always wondering why.
lOOK AT WHERE THE E-BAY VENDOR IS LOCATED. CHINA. THAT IS A GOOD CLUE IT IS BOGUS.
 
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Discussion Starter #20
I mainly just put that up ebay one for reference pictures, and the fact that it had the same serial number as both of the ones Mac45 bought at the gunshow.

Aren't both Aimpoints and EOtechs non-export items? If they in-fact are; then yeah tons of alarms should be going off if the product is originating out of country, particularly China/Hong Kong.

The worst part of this deal (aside from getting clones for $150ea) is that the seller told his customers that he got his stuff from the military, so folks probably assumed it was surplus. Making the price somewhat believable.
 
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