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Discussion Starter · #1 ·
Whats a good price for the bushmaster A3 (removable handle) 6 position stock, 16 inch heavy barrel, and flash suppressor.
I think bushmasters model # is BCWA3F16M4.

In your oppinion is this a good around the house/ range gun?
Is this a gun I'll be pleased with?
 
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Discussion Starter · #2 ·
Got a place near me here in FL that sells that model for about $950 in 5.56cal and $1050 in 6.8cal.

My brother has a Bushy. Good gun, no problems with it.

Could be a good house carbine, depends on what ammo you intend to use (read light, 40-50grn). Or, could be a real over-penetrator with heavy loads...

Also look at Stag. Probably lower priced. Also, if you can pick up a stripped lower at a gun show (around $100 down here) you can get a rifle kit with all the other parts, in this same configuration (basically M4 style) from a company called Del-Ton for about $500 and build you own...pretty easy and fun to do.
 
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That weapon is a bad SOB. I mean the bullet travels so quick, that inside a house it would be very dangerous to fire it. The penetration of the round will go through wall after wall. Its the 3rd party that you would have to worry about. This is "MY OPINION ONLY" for the house get a short barrel shotgun. "PUMP" :)
 
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pookie said:
That weapon is a bad SOB. I mean the bullet travels so quick, that inside a house it would be very dangerous to fire it. The penetration of the round will go through wall after wall. Its the 3rd party that you would have to worry about. This is "MY OPINION ONLY" for the house get a short barrel shotgun. "PUMP" :)
I have a rem. 870 w/ knoxx special opps adjustable stock and forend.
 
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pookie said:
That weapon is a bad SOB. I mean the bullet travels so quick, that inside a house it would be very dangerous to fire it. The penetration of the round will go through wall after wall. Its the 3rd party that you would have to worry about. This is "MY OPINION ONLY" for the house get a short barrel shotgun. "PUMP" :)
Pookie LOL do some research a .223 is no more dangerous than a handgun round or a 12 gauge loaded with Buck shot.The High Velocity small bore rifles shed energy quickly and like was stated earlier bullet choice can make them even safer than the other mentioned callibers A 45 or 55 grain bullet in a non FMJ expanding profile is very destructive on soft tissue but easily defeated by normal building materials.
 
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Discussion Starter · #7 ·
local shop has a flat-top bushy with carry handle for around 900. i don't think i'd use my ar for home defense, though...maybe "stay away from my home" defense :twisted: if someone was in my home already, i wouldn't be using the ar...
 
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pookie said:
That weapon is a bad SOB. I mean the bullet travels so quick, that inside a house it would be very dangerous to fire it. The penetration of the round will go through wall after wall. Its the 3rd party that you would have to worry about. This is "MY OPINION ONLY" for the house get a short barrel shotgun. "PUMP" :)
Have you ever seen the effects of what a shotgun will do to the inside of a house?
Check it out here: http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot3.htmppretty much almost anything will be tearing around the inside of a house or apartment building.
 
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Discussion Starter · #9 ·
PPP, I own the Bushmaster that the Model number you list matches. That model number breaks down to be a A3 style upper with a 16inch M4 Style Barrel, which is not the "Heavy Barrel". The M4 barrel profile has the inlet notch forward of the Front Sight (Intended to allow attachment of the Grenade Launcher) If what you want is the A3 Style(Removable Carry Handle) Extendable Stock with a 16 inch Heavy Barrel, what you want is a BCWA3F 16. Just so you get what you are really after.
 
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so the difference of M4 at the end does not only refer to the grenade lancher spot on the barrel?
 
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Discussion Starter · #11 ·
I'm thinking about ordering BSWA2F14M4IZ from Buds for $833. I think my local shop wants closer to $950.
 
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Discussion Starter · #12 ·
Paid 850 + 15 S&H- what do you think?

PS
Your right the model # I mentioned was the one that I wanted but it didn't have a heavy barrel- rather they used Hbar- my bad.
 
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Discussion Starter · #14 ·
Wife and I bought matching Bushy M4's for Valentines day, same profile but with fixed carry handle for 1,500 OTD.. including 6% sales tax. We could have gotten the flat tops for $1600, but neither of us cares for them that much.
 
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scalce said:
I got my Bushie A3 M4 at Sportsman Warehouse for $900.

I think there are two stores in TN.
I just double checked today and my local shop wants $999 plus tax and NICS for a M4A3 with carry handle.
 
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Prometheus said:
Wife and I bought matching Bushy M4's for Valentines day, same profile but with fixed carry handle for 1,500 OTD.. including 6% sales tax. We could have gotten the flat tops for $1600, but neither of us cares for them that much.
Where was this at?
 
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Lazarus said:
Where was this at?
Crown Point gun show back in early Feburary, I just deal with John and to be honest it's a two inital shop I can't recall at the moment, they are out of Southern Indiana. My wife normally deals with him and has bought several weapons from him in the past... establishing a good rapor with dealers is key. Everytime we see him at a show we buy atleast one gun from him.

If my wife or I ask a dealer what his best price is it means we're going to buy it if we like the price... we don't kick tires and the ones that know us know it.

Too often I see peopel negotiate a good price and walk away 'just to see what I could get'... pisses dealers off and quite frankly sours it for the next guy... they don't want to go back and forth for several minutes and miss other potential customers. Can't say as I blame them.

People need to establish good relationships with a dealer(s) who will treat you right. Don't expect to be able to walk up dealer XYZ and get 5% over cost and only buy 1 gun a year from the guy. Ain't gonna happen or if it does it won't repeat.

Dealers will 'blow out' a certain amount of guns to loyal customers so they can get 'preferred' dealer status or make a wholesaler requirement. They then get discounted weapons to sell to the rest of their customers.

Some dealers are punks and those are the small time ones that will never truly 'move' product.. they don't matter because they can't get that good of a price if they wanted.

We do better with my 3 regular dealers than off of gun broker. I haven't bougth a gun off of gunbroker or any other site that had to go thru a dealer in years.

The key is finding good dealers... The closest of my three is 70 miles away. Kinda good because it means I can't just pop in and buy something at a whim... otherwise I'd be broke and the other two we only see at gun shows 2-3 times a year. All my local dealers are idiots to be quite frank.

People need to stop shopping the big national chain stores for everything... I'll admit I hit the gander mountian from time to time to buy the Malin 795s when it's on sale for 89 bucks or the when I got my ruger mark II for 199 bucks on a 'black friday' sale, but no way I'd buy one of their AR's or almost anything else from them. Aside from price reasons.
 
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Discussion Starter · #18 ·
pookie said:
That weapon is a bad SOB. I mean the bullet travels so quick, that inside a house it would be very dangerous to fire it. The penetration of the round will go through wall after wall. Its the 3rd party that you would have to worry about. This is "MY OPINION ONLY" for the house get a short barrel shotgun. "PUMP" :)
It's all about ammo.
I'd rather shoot a 223 than my 9mm in the house. Loaded with the right ammo, the 223 can be very effective in an urban setting without the overpenetration that even the best 9mm ammo would have.

Shotguns are for TV and when the entire family is behind you. They work but they also tear up a lot of stuff in the process.
Edit: But the sound makes most bad guys ran as you rack that first round.:D
 
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Discussion Starter · #19 ·
Prometheus said:
Crown Point gun show back in early Feburary, I just deal with John and to be honest it's a two inital shop I can't recall at the moment, they are out of Southern Indiana. My wife normally deals with him and has bought several weapons from him in the past... establishing a good rapor with dealers is key. Everytime we see him at a show we buy atleast one gun from him.

If my wife or I ask a dealer what his best price is it means we're going to buy it if we like the price... we don't kick tires and the ones that know us know it.

Too often I see peopel negotiate a good price and walk away 'just to see what I could get'... pisses dealers off and quite frankly sours it for the next guy... they don't want to go back and forth for several minutes and miss other potential customers. Can't say as I blame them.

People need to establish good relationships with a dealer(s) who will treat you right. Don't expect to be able to walk up dealer XYZ and get 5% over cost and only buy 1 gun a year from the guy. Ain't gonna happen or if it does it won't repeat.

Dealers will 'blow out' a certain amount of guns to loyal customers so they can get 'preferred' dealer status or make a wholesaler requirement. They then get discounted weapons to sell to the rest of their customers.

Some dealers are punks and those are the small time ones that will never truly 'move' product.. they don't matter because they can't get that good of a price if they wanted.

We do better with my 3 regular dealers than off of gun broker. I haven't bougth a gun off of gunbroker or any other site that had to go thru a dealer in years.

The key is finding good dealers... The closest of my three is 70 miles away. Kinda good because it means I can't just pop in and buy something at a whim... otherwise I'd be broke and the other two we only see at gun shows 2-3 times a year. All my local dealers are idiots to be quite frank.

People need to stop shopping the big national chain stores for everything... I'll admit I hit the gander mountian from time to time to buy the Malin 795s when it's on sale for 89 bucks or the when I got my ruger mark II for 199 bucks on a 'black friday' sale, but no way I'd buy one of their AR's or almost anything else from them. Aside from price reasons.
Thats why I'm sticking with this one guy. Hes close, close to a mall I go to, and its a small shop. Prices arent the greatest but I did get my Kimber cheaper than other local shops. I can call this guy everyday for a week and get the same quality service throughout.
 
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Lazarus said:
I can call this guy everyday for a week and get the same quality service throughout.
Alot to be said for that.... plus teh more you buy the more the guy wants to keep your business.
 
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