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Discussion Starter · #1 ·
I am new to firearms in general but it seems like a lot of people are concerned about a new assault weapons ban. If this is the case which rifle is best to get? Also, what is the difference between the AR15 vs M4?

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Discussion Starter · #2 ·
for all practical purposes the "civilian" M4 is just a contour of the barrel ;)
it has the step cut for a M203 launcher.

Mike
 
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Discussion Starter · #3 ·
It also has the feed ramps at the bottom of the chamber and a 16 inch barrel with a short forend.
 
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Discussion Starter · #5 ·
In civilian terms, all M4's are AR15's, but not all AR15's are M4's...

As they stated, M4 is a reference to the barrel profile and gas system length. It seems to be the most common (and also the cheapest) form of AR15 these days.
 
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Discussion Starter · #6 ·
In civilian terms, all M4's are AR15's, but not all AR15's are M4's...

As they stated, M4 is a reference to the barrel profile and gas system length. It seems to be the most common (and also the cheapest) form of AR15 these days.
probably because it has become so popular in the military these days. There really is no benefit to a 20" barrel in an urban environment.
 
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Discussion Starter · #7 ·
True, except for those of us still in the stone age of iron sights (namely semi-poor college students ;) ). Boooo short sight radius.
 
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Discussion Starter · #9 ·
Yeah, well, its a pistol. Its sights work for what I use it for.

I think I may get me one of them .050" wide front posts. Current one is as wide as the 6 ring on my targets at 100 yards. Shooting sub 3 MOA groups is not common (although I know the rifle is capable of sub-MOA).
 
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Discussion Starter · #10 ·
As far as which rifle to get, I suggest the AR platform. I've owned ARs, AKs, an H&K 94, two H&K 91s and a couple of FALs. I prefer the ARs.
The M4 platform is my favorite. They fall weight wise between the heavy bbls. and the pencil bbls., of course, which means they balance the handiness and accuracy best in my opinion. This is my favorite rifle in the safe.



The 6 position stock is a tad larger than the older CAR style, and is more comfortable. The bbl. has the M203 launcher cuts, so it becomes a "medium" weight bbl. The M4 oval handguards feel best to me, plus they are double lined with heat shields, in case you need to burn a lot of ammo. (I don't rip through mags in my rifles, so I can't tell you how much better they control the heat)

This is my latest rifle I put together, and I will finish it off with a good sling and leave it as is. The "tacticool" rifles look mean, but I don't see a need to pimp my rifles out any further. But, if you decide to trick your rifle out, the combinations are just about endless as to what you can do.

I suggest you handle as many of the different models as you can, and get what you like and what feels best to you. That is the good thing about an AR, you don't get stuck with a one size fits all weapon.


GHILLIE
 
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Discussion Starter · #11 ·
The Marine Corps' grunts still use a 20in. barrel M-16. The A4 model. Pretty much just an M-16 made by FN that has a 4 rail hand guard and a removable rear sight/carrying handle.

Mostly officers and armored vehicle crewmen are being issued M4s at the moment.
 
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Discussion Starter · #13 ·
I'll have to look but I believe the barrel is 14.5" and also slimline under handguards. Additionally the M4 version comes with the collapsible stock, flattop picatinny rail (some are issued with the detachable carry handle) and doesn't the military M4 have full auto again... sorry it's 5 AM and the part of my brain that stores all of my AR knowledge is still sound asleep.

If you don't have the feed ramp cuts, then you don't have an M4 copy. Matter of fact I doubt many if any of us actually have an M4. We have A3/4 with a 16" barrel w/ an M4 profile and maybe feed ramps.

The feed ramps were a huge improvement by themselves.
 
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Discussion Starter · #15 ·
If I were wanting to zap zombies from a distance, I think I would like a 24" flat top upper in 6.8 cal. :D

I prefer to call my M4 style rifles an "M4gery" because most of the civilian population can't own a 100% true milspec M4. On some other boards, you will get "corrected" immediately if you call your civvy rifle an M4. I figure if you pay your hard earned cash for it, you can call it whatever you like.:lol::lol: With the OP stating he wasn't really sure of the AR variants, I didn't want to throw another term out there to confuse anyone.

In fact, its probably best I don't have a full auto weapon, I have a hard enough time feeding them one bite at a time with ammo prices.



GHILLIE
 
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Discussion Starter · #17 ·
What magazines are those? I like the way they look.
Thanks
Looks like most of them are Magpul Pmags. I have a couple both with and without the window. They are very very nice magazines. Well worth the money, and not really any more expensive than a standard issue.
 
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Discussion Starter · #18 ·
M16, M16A1, M16A4, M4, and M4A1... basically they are all AR-15's..

AR15 is the civilian designation, "M4" is just a military designation, just like the way the way the M880 is the designation for the Chevy Bronco.

The M4 is just a basically a M16/AR15 with a 14.5" barrel, collapsable stock, flat top upper reciever with removable carry handle, select fire capabilities in semi or 3-round burst, and notch in the barrel to accept a M203 Grenade launcher.

If you want to get all technical, what 99.999% of us have are not really M4's but M-For-gery's :mrgreen:

M4A1 is full auto, the M4 is 3 round burst.
 
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Discussion Starter · #19 ·
Polymer Mags and very cool looking.

Is this normal getting all jacked up over something like this? This is a disease.......LMAO.
 
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