AR Optics?

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Discussion Starter · Nov 28, 2006

OK I am seriously thinking of getting some kind of optics for my Stag flat top. Just don't want to spend $400. Shooting targets out to 300 yards maximum. I am thinking a red dot, but am just not an expert in optics.

What is the best you would recommend for $200 or less and where can I get it?

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Discussion Starter · #2 · Nov 29, 2006

You might be able to find a Bushnell Holo sight demo at a little >$200.

Beyond that, I guess my next recommendation would be a SPOT Mark III at $164
http://www.del-ton.com/detail.aspx?ID=1191

I'm kind of in the same boat as you; so I've been searchng for some time. It's that whole quality versus cost issue. I really want an EoTech; but I simply can't afford it. I've been looking at the aimpoint clones, etc, but I've heard some good things about the SPOT one that I posted. The one thing that I won't skimp on is my BUIS. Here's the one that picked out:
http://www.eaglefirearms.net/ARMSnumber40.htm

The ARMS #40 L - SP

I hope this helps. Good luck.

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Discussion Starter · #3 · Nov 29, 2006

Thanks for the link. That would be a definite possibility.

Any others?

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Discussion Starter · #4 · Nov 29, 2006

I have the Bushnell Holosight, N model. I really like it, and it has held up well so far. My only complaint is that it does run through the batteries, and generally this is the case with the cheaper models. That Spot scope looks pretty darn good, and I may have to get one to try out.

I have been buying the N batteries off the internet, and it is wayyyy cheaper this way. I just buy them 50 at a shot and keep them cold stored.

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Discussion Starter · #5 · Nov 29, 2006

Yes, the Bushnell is cheaper - but everyone keeps telling me to avoid it. Seems U are happy w/ it.

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Discussion Starter · #6 · Nov 29, 2006

Why would you want a non-magnified CQB red dot sight for shooting at 100-300 yards?

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Discussion Starter · #7 · Nov 29, 2006

jdavionic said:
Beyond that, I guess my next recommendation would be a SPOT Mark III at $164
http://www.del-ton.com/detail.aspx?ID=1191

this looks exactly like another aimpoint clone, which can be had for like $50-90, depending on which mount you get with it.

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Discussion Starter · #8 · Nov 29, 2006

Novadesigns said:
Why would you want a non-magnified CQB red dot sight for shooting at 100-300 yards?

exactly... I just got a scope for my AR, it's a 3-9x and to be honest, if shooting out to 300 yards for accuracy.. I'd rather have more zoom. Thankfully I only paid $60 for my scope. I'd rather have something in the 6-18x zoom range, possibly a bit more. But for 100 yards and a bit more, the 3-9x works fine for me. Where I live, the only place I really have to shoot... which won't cost me a ton, just has a 200 yard range so I don't need more zoom at the moment.

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Discussion Starter · #9 · Nov 29, 2006

for a BUIS, if I had to do it over again... I'd get the #40L, and not the #40L sp. I find that up close, I don't even use the small peep hole. With the larger peep for CQB, I was able to hit an 8 inch target at 100 yards standing up. So I wish I would have gotten the sight that has the 250-300m peep with it as well.

But they say if you have them sighted in for about 50 yards, you should be good out to 200 yards. And I was able to hit a target at 330 yards using my small peep. just barely had to aim up.

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Discussion Starter · #10 · Nov 29, 2006

jednp said:
this looks exactly like another aimpoint clone, which can be had for like $50-90, depending on which mount you get with it.

You're probably referring to the 1337Tactical clone - sold on ebay for around $75 ($55 + shipping). The SPOT has been through some testing and I'd feel a more confident in its performance.

With respect to a scope, the suggestions are good ones. It really boils down to what you want. If you're looking a CQB-type AR config, then I'd suggest a red dot @1x, with a BUIS. If you want 200-300yds, you may be better off with a scope if you're not willing to pay for a combo aimpoint with 3x (or whatever you choose).

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Discussion Starter · #11 · Nov 29, 2006

yeah, for close range there's really no need for zoom. As long as the optic is sighted in you'll be able to hit stuff. Further away though, I want more zoom. I'm half tempted to put my scope I got for my AR, on my 10/22 when I buy a new stock and barrel for that, and get a higher power zoom for my AR. because I want to do shooting out to 300-400 yards eventually with it and I'd like to see my target a bit better.

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Discussion Starter · #12 · Nov 29, 2006

Here are a couple of very good and less expensive scopes to consider if you're going for accuracy at long ranges.

http://www.muelleroptics.com/products/MT41650IGR.html

The big one
http://www.muelleroptics.com/products/MU852550IGR.html

I have a Mueller APV 4.5x16x40 on my K10/22T and I can attest to the quality of these scopes. I really love the no-tools-required elevation and windage adjustments.

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Discussion Starter · #13 · Nov 29, 2006

Anyone got a low buck option say $100 and under I see stuff form Cheaper then Dirt and AIMsurplus but at $60-$80 my minds always thinking thats gotta be junk. Just want something for fun for my seocnd AR. Something like this:
http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Accu_Shot_6X_Reticle_Intensified_Tactical_Scope.html

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Discussion Starter · #14 · Nov 29, 2006

Corey G said:
Anyone got a low buck option say $100 and under I see stuff form Cheaper then Dirt and AIMsurplus but at $60-$80 my minds always thinking thats gotta be junk. Just want something for fun for my seocnd AR. Something like this:
http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Accu_Shot_6X_Reticle_Intensified_Tactical_Scope.html

i have this scope and it's good... i'm having trouble keeping it securely attached to the rifle,though. i have an integral carry handle and find that w/ the added picatinny rail, the parallax is a little problematic so i tried attaching it directly to the handle. works well for 4-5 shots (2" groups at 50 yds, i'm still learning) but after that, becomes really loose and unreliable.

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Discussion Starter · #15 · Nov 29, 2006

Subscribing. Although I won't be looking seriously for a while.

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Discussion Starter · #16 · Nov 30, 2006

Novadesigns said:
Why would you want a non-magnified CQB red dot sight for shooting at 100-300 yards?

Because they're cool! And I like it to be more of a challenge. I am a plinker, not a precision shooter. If I am only shooting to 300 yards with a 9x or 18x scope, I damn well better be hitting the targets (I can't spell sillohettes?) every time. I like the iron sights but want something new and tacticool.

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Discussion Starter · #17 · Nov 30, 2006

PackerfanXD said:
Subscribing. Although I won't be looking seriously for a while.

Yeah, you have to shoot it first

j/k!

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Discussion Starter · #18 · Nov 30, 2006

brian40 said:
Yeah, you have to shoot it first

I still haven't...

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Discussion Starter · #19 · Nov 30, 2006

brian40 said:
Because they're cool! And I like it to be more of a challenge. I am a plinker, not a precision shooter. If I am only shooting to 300 yards with a 9x or 18x scope, I damn well better be hitting the targets (I can't spell sillohettes?) every time. I like the iron sights but want something new and tacticool.

with iron sights, I was shooting at a 12" steel plate at 330 yards. Had my bipod on, and was resting on a wooden table. While I could probably with practice, hit the target at that range standing up with no supports, it'd be a lot harder to do. Honestly, if it were me and my main goal was to shoot out to 300 yards.. I'd at least get a 4 power scope. A red dot would be nice to have, but I'd rather use that up close.

I was talking with my friend who is in the marines. He just got out of Iraq the beginning of this month. He said he mainly uses his eotech, and his aimpoint. they are issued acogs. He said for any distance, they found that their eotech and aimpoints were pretty useless. He also said for distance there are a LOT better options than the acog as well. If my memory serves me right, he said red dots were most effective 100 yards and closer. But then again, he had to be very very critical of what he used, and what it was used for because it could mean your life. thankfully with target shooting we don't have to worry about that. But he didn't like 1X scopes for any distance, nor did any of his unit.

They make some decent scopes in the 2.5x-6x zoom range. If you aren't wanting precision shooting, but still enough to help out at distance that's what I'd get. I know my scope at 3x is still far enough for you to have to use your skills to get a good hit on a target. But still better than no zoom at all, which for distance I'd rather have some zoom.

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