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Discussion Starter #1
Ok... I think I have to pick from one of these three...

I am leaving California, and one of the first things I am going to do is get an AR...

Rock River Arms:
The Entry Tactical


Leitner and Weiss:
The CP


Or the Sig
Sig 556(I know its not an AR, but it takes the mags, and looks real good. Bet It works real good too.)


These are my picks, but any other ideas will be helpful.

1600 is my ABSOLUTE max. I am saving up alot of money just for this. Thanks for all your help you guys.

Please post pics and links to other candidates.
 
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Discussion Starter #3
Get the RRA from Pete at Legal Transfers (AR15sales.com). I bought my Elite CAR from him and I love it. You'll be able to buy more ammo and optics/accessories with the money you save. Congrats on leaving that fudged up state!
 
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Discussion Starter #4
i prefer bushmaster's 4150 steel barrel, but that is neither here nor there...any ar is a good ar as long as it goes bang!
 
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Discussion Starter #6
Well you're right in the range to go ahead and get a true piston AR, so take a look at these:

XCR Modular Rifle
http://www.robarm.com/index.htm

Even better is the POF IMHO
http://www.pof-usa.com/POF-USA PRODUCTS.htm

After that, I'd say a solid option is to get a stripped lower, LPK and a couple of uppers (16" and 20"). You'll still have money left over for optics or an excellent set of BUIS's and a nice hand full of the MagPul PMags.

Or you could do what I'm starting to do... save up for the Masada :)
http://magpul.com/tech/masada.html

Colt, DPMS, Stag, and about 1200 custom shops can hook you up with just about what ever you're really wanting in an AR if you're insisting on buying new. If you buy used, you could just about get two used baseline weapons for your budget.
 
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Discussion Starter #7
Ok, Rock River Arms seems like a good bet, I just wish I could get a gas piston for the price of a direct inpingement. When is the Masada coming out and how much?
 
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Discussion Starter #8
Masada civilian version is slated (rumor has it) for Q1 08 for approximately $1400. I will have one if I have to drive to the MagPul shop and camp out :)
 
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Discussion Starter #9
Get the RRA from Pete at Legal Transfers (AR15sales.com). I bought my Elite CAR from him and I love it. You'll be able to buy more ammo and optics/accessories with the money you save. Congrats on leaving that fudged up state!
+1, Pete is a great guy.
I got my RRA entry tactical there as well.
 
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Discussion Starter #10
Well you're right in the range to go ahead and get a true piston AR, so take a look at these:

XCR Modular Rifle
http://www.robarm.com/index.htm

Even better is the POF IMHO
http://www.pof-usa.com/POF-USA PRODUCTS.htm

After that, I'd say a solid option is to get a stripped lower, LPK and a couple of uppers (16" and 20"). You'll still have money left over for optics or an excellent set of BUIS's and a nice hand full of the MagPul PMags.

Or you could do what I'm starting to do... save up for the Masada :)
http://magpul.com/tech/masada.html

Colt, DPMS, Stag, and about 1200 custom shops can hook you up with just about what ever you're really wanting in an AR if you're insisting on buying new. If you buy used, you could just about get two used baseline weapons for your budget.
+1 on that.

I swear if I buy another AR it'll be a piston driven one.
 
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Discussion Starter #11
I was thinking about it, mostly because I've been drooling over a few different POF uppers.. but you could easily put together the lower, don't go crazy with the stock.. just a plain ol' 6 position, and pick up the POF upper for about $1200 used. you'd still be under the $1600, and DAMMIT now I've got a plan. Just have to get approval from the higher authority.
 
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Discussion Starter #13
bah! i haven't held or shot one, but cleaning a regular ar ain't so bad...the piston driven ar's are heavier, no?
Enen if it is, the video on the site shows me that the reliablility is awesome with this. I would like a RRA, but I would like to see some torture testing on both it and the LWRC. LWRC did it in their video. A guy is shoveling dirt onto the weapon and it continues to fire at full auto without a hiccup
 
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Discussion Starter #14
Enen if it is, the video on the site shows me that the reliablility is awesome with this. I would like a RRA, but I would like to see some torture testing on both it and the LWRC. LWRC did it in their video. A guy is shoveling dirt onto the weapon and it continues to fire at full auto without a hiccup
How often are you gonna get into a gunfight with dirt. I've never been attacked by dirt. Dirt and I are pretty good friends. Just don't go picking a fight with dirt and it won't mess up your gun. ;)
 
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Discussion Starter #15
Wow. For $1600 you could buy TWO RRA's: one 20" A3 flattop and another 16" version, assuming you shopped around (to find the best deals online) and only bought complete uppers and complete lowers and pinned them together yourself. In my research I found that way is "cheaper" than buying all the parts and assembling it yourself, or buying complete guns.
 
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Discussion Starter #16
Wow. For $1600 you could buy TWO RRA's: one 20" A3 flattop and another 16" version, assuming you shopped around (to find the best deals online) and only bought complete uppers and complete lowers and pinned them together yourself. In my research I found that way is "cheaper" than buying all the parts and assembling it yourself, or buying complete guns.
Good to know...
 
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Discussion Starter #17
Almost worse than a big ol' bin of Lego's ain't it? With your budget you can do a ton... pictures will be required as compensation for all of the advice :)
 
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Discussion Starter #18
Ok... I think I have to pick from one of these three...

I am leaving California, and one of the first things I am going to do is get an AR...

Rock River Arms:
The Entry Tactical


Leitner and Weiss:
The CP


Or the Sig
Sig 556(I know its not an AR, but it takes the mags, and looks real good. Bet It works real good too.)


These are my picks, but any other ideas will be helpful.

1600 is my ABSOLUTE max. I am saving up alot of money just for this. Thanks for all your help you guys.

Please post pics and links to other candidates.
Go with LMT or Colt. Avoid lower tier companies.
Pat
 
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Discussion Starter #20
And just what the heck is wrong with "lower tier" companies....?
In a nut shell they don't run as well. They don't have the same quality control measures (like MP tested bolts and barrels). If you just want a toy then the lower tier companies are fine. But if you want a gun that you can your life with Stick with Colt or LMT. I have been to a lot of rifle training classes and taught my share and the lower end companies have a lot more issues. Don't take my word on it. Talk to professionals like Larry Vickers and Pat Rogers (both top firearms instructors) they will tell you the same.
Pat
 
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