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Discussion Starter · #1 ·
I am considering buying an AR style rifle, possibly a Bushmaster M4 A3 with 16 inch barrel. I am also thinking of a Springfield Armory Scout or Socom. I need advice and suggestions from anyone that owns either of these rifles. I like the custom options available for the Bushmaster but I also like the M1A styling and 7.62 round. What can anyone tell me??? 5.56 and 7.62? Quality and reliability of Bushmaster? Good price for each rifle? Thanks in advance for any comments:)
 
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Discussion Starter · #3 ·
I guess I need to know more about your question. I have 2 AR’s and have an M4 as my service rifle. The A1 is very different than the A3 in range and velocity. As too is the 7.62 and the .223, kind of like asking the difference between the 45 and 9mm. Both are VERY different. It sounds like it is more of a personal preference.
 
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I have a RRA CAR UTEII sitting at the shop now, just waiting on the rest of the order to come in so it can all be put together. Great rifle and triggers those RRAs have
 
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Discussion Starter · #5 ·
I'm have a Bushmaster AR-10 and I am extremely happy with it's reliability and performance, and if there's one more EBR I crave it would be the M1A. I agree with LAUNCHPAD you are dealing with two different beasts. You need to fire rounds from both calibers in order to make your decision.
 
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Discussion Starter · #6 ·
I just bought the same Bushmaster you are looking at for $899 from a chain store.

Bushies are the only ARs I have shot but I have felt RRA and Colts.

The RRA entry tactical was my second choice but the waiting, shipping, tax, and FFL costs made me want to buy locally.
 
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Discussion Starter · #7 ·
petey1 said:
I am considering buying an AR style rifle, possibly a Bushmaster M4 A3 with 16 inch barrel. I am also thinking of a Springfield Armory Scout or Socom. I need advice and suggestions from anyone that owns either of these rifles. I like the custom options available for the Bushmaster but I also like the M1A styling and 7.62 round. What can anyone tell me??? 5.56 and 7.62? Quality and reliability of Bushmaster? Good price for each rifle? Thanks in advance for any comments:)
You do know a Scout or Socom potentially costs twice as much as a Bushmaster AR, don't you?;)

The 7.62x51 ammo also costs quite a bit more than the 5.56x45.

The two are in so different a class that it's really hard to compare. Owning one of each will be a better advice, IMHO.:cool:
 
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Discussion Starter · #8 ·
petey1 said:
I am considering buying an AR style rifle, possibly a Bushmaster M4 A3 with 16 inch barrel. I am also thinking of a Springfield Armory Scout or Socom. I need advice and suggestions from anyone that owns either of these rifles. I like the custom options available for the Bushmaster but I also like the M1A styling and 7.62 round. What can anyone tell me??? 5.56 and 7.62? Quality and reliability of Bushmaster? Good price for each rifle? Thanks in advance for any comments:)


Q: I am considering buying an AR style rifle, possibly a Bushmaster M4 A3 with 16 inch barrel. I am also thinking of a Springfield Armory Scout or Socom.

IMHO: Two different animals here. Both have their strengths. You won't go wrong with either choice of weapon. The SoComs are fairly heavy when compaired to the AR, then again you can make an AR too heavy if you go mod crazy.

Q: 5.56 and 7.62?

IMHO:
Different performance characteristics. Both effective in their intended use. Both are fairly expensive (relatively speaking) even in bulk. Though I can say that in my area I can snag 1K of .223 (aka 5.56) for about $190 and 1k of surplus 7.62 for about $290-320.
Both are fun to shoot.. You'll see better long range accuracy from the SoCom's than you will from the typical 16" barrel of the AR's. But there are ton's of options for both when it comes to ammo types.

Q: Quality and reliability of Bushmaster? Good price for each rifle?

IMHO: Bushy makes a fine weapon... that being said, they like Smith and Wesson, H&K, SIG and a few others are rather proud of their products :rolleyes: which translates in to higher prices.
RRA (Rock River Armory) comes to mind first as a more cost effective alternative to Bushmaster and the "upper tier" manufacturers. Other such as Stag, Olympic Arms are also good builders, but my preference is RRA.

Q: Good price for each rifle?IMHO:AR's should run you less than $800 as a base platform. The SoCom and the Scout should run between $1100 and $1600 depending on what you get with it.


Now.. with all of that said, I'm a fan of both weapons but don't own one of the SoCom's or Scouts. I do have several AR's one of which is a Bushmaster XM-15E2 and I have no complaints with the weapon. I paid more for it than I should have, but it was my first... I know better now :D.

You can do a bit more with the AR base platform than most folks think. Think of the AR like a Kit Car.. you get the basic version to start and you can tweek the hell out of it from there. Railed forends, Carbon Fiber forends, A2/3 and M4 style forends, many many grip options, sight's ranging from fixed iron sights (A1/2/3 itterations), flip-up front and rear sights, peep and long range sights... the list goes on and on and on!!!

Optics is another whole area where prefence for types or reticles, effective range etc.. comes to play. You can spend $12 for a cheapo or thousands on high end glass. Several great options all around for both platforms and actually you'll see where several itterations of optics have use on both weapon platforms.

Hope that helps.
 
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Discussion Starter · #9 ·
Having owned an AR for the past 6 years, and having just bought an M1A, I think the SOCOM would have my attention at the current time. The 7.62 nato is MUCH more expensive to shoot though. Even though it has a 16" barrel, the SOCOM should be good for "minute of man" out to 300 yards, give or take. Recoil is very manageable due to the compensator used on the SOCOM. While you can say the same thing about the AR (even adding in some yardage), the 5.56 round doesn't do it's job optimally past ~ 100-110 yards with a 16" barrel.

If you're budget minded, the AR will be cheaper to customize to your needs, cheaper to shoot, and has cheaper magazines. It is a handy carbine to have, being lightweight and having relatively short overall length. The .308/7.62 game is expensive, but I am growing fond of it very quickly!

If you've got the money and can afford the rifle, accessories, and ammo, I would go for the M1A. On the other hand, you will more than likely wind up owning both anyways.

B9
 
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Discussion Starter · #10 ·
my 2 cents...i just bought a bushy. i like it alot. it's a tack driver, and i wouldn't mind lugging it and ammo around (bug out zombie situation...gun and ammo is not heavy at all). never held a socom, but damn they're expensive! 7.62 is fun too shoot (i like ak's alot), but for a larger calibre long gun, i think i'd rather have a bolt action .308...ar for "assult" and "fun" purposes, bolt action for long-distance work, ak for "assult" and "fun" in 7.62. yeah...
 
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What are you going to use the rifle for? SHFT, Hunting, Target or plinking? After you determine what your primary intended purpose is going to be then decide. If it's SHFT I would consider the AR platform. Hunting unless its just small game / varmit lean toward .308. Target you have both and plinking 5.56/.223 will be cheaper.
 
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