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Discussion Starter · #1 ·
i am thinking about buying an mp5 or ar15 i am going to be a reserve LEO i had an ar15 before and loved it but i am wanting to try something different so witch would you want to carry
 
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Discussion Starter · #3 ·
marvin74 said:
i am thinking about buying an mp5 or ar15 i am going to be a reserve LEO i had an ar15 before and loved it but i am wanting to try something different so witch would you want to carry
I'd stick with the AR.

Matt
 
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Discussion Starter · #4 ·
Not to try and start anything, but are you sure you're going to be able to buy a full-auto gun as a reserve officer? I could see the department telling you to buy your own sidearm, but aren't special patrol weapons usually assigned?

Logistics aside, unless you're doing HRT/entry stuff you should get an AR-15. More range and power. And unless you're guarding an Israeli airport and are going to be doing patrols with your full-auto rifle slung across your chest all day, stick with 16" barrel minimum. Velocity drops off rapidly when you cut the barrel shorter.

I'm very curious to hear more about your situation and how you're able to buy an MP5.
 
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Discussion Starter · #6 ·
they do offer them in semi auto with out full auto it is a clone i did not plan on getting a real h&K fullauto anyway that about 5000.00 more that i want to spend
 
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Discussion Starter · #7 ·
marvin74 said:
they do offer them in semi auto with out full auto it is a clone i did not plan on getting a real h&K fullauto anyway that about 5000.00 more that i want to spend
You mean, like a Bobcat clone or Vector gun or something? No way would I pick that over an AR-15. If you're an actual sworn LEO, you can get a full-auto true HK for less than $2000. I don't know of any semi-auto only HKs available to the general public. Does your department have a special deal to provide them to officers or something?

ETA: "If you're an actual sworn LEO, you can get a full-auto true HK for less than $2000" - I'm referring to department cost here, not the legalities of LEOs owning personal full-auto HKs. I'm pretty sure the laws vary a bit on whether or not an officer or department owns these guns.
 
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Discussion Starter · #9 ·
Polymerhead said:
You mean, like a Bobcat clone or Vector gun or something? No way would I pick that over an AR-15. If you're an actual sworn LEO, you can get a full-auto true HK for less than $2000. I don't know of any semi-auto only HKs available to the general public. Does your department have a special deal to provide them to officers or something?
thats what i was talking about polymerhead the clones i think i will stick with the ar15 thanks for the info and no they dont provide them i am in a small town
 
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Discussion Starter · #10 ·
marvin74 said:
thats what i was talking about polymerhead the clones i think i will stick with the ar15 thanks for the info and no they dont provide them i am in a small town
Sure thing. I'd hate to see someone drop $1500 on a MP5 clone that hiccups when you need it the most. DPMS, RRA and Bushmaster all offer quality AR-15 packages for less than $1000. Pick one up, put a couple thousand rounds through it to get a good feel for it and break it in, then you can be confident that you have a dependable piece to work with.

Shoot safe!
 
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Discussion Starter · #11 ·
Pistol rounds in a rifle suck IMO, and having personal had lots of trigger time on both the MP5 and the AR15 there is not question....AR15 all the way. While the MP5 is neat and looks good in the movies I am not impressed with it, it shoots well but lacks some now common features that are almost necessary.

The MP5 and AR15/5.56 have near equal recoil in my opinion.

The 5.56 offers much better range and much better accuracy then the 9mm. The 5.56 can over penetrate, but that can be overcome with proper bullet selection, its better penetration may also help when shooting through cover. So IMO the 223 can do everything that the 9mm can do plus some.

The AR has a Last shot bolt hold open, so after reloading its a simple button push that can be reached while using the rifle left or right handed. The MP5 requires you reach to the very front of the gun and recharge the bolt, this can be a big pain and cost lots of time especially when shooting left handed.

The AR15 has a Ambidextrous charging handle so its just as easy to charge from either side. The MP5 charging handle is on the left side so when using it left handed you will either have to reach around the gun or under the gun to reach the charging handle, this can force you to loose sight picture , shoulder weld, and cost valuable time.

The AR has a push button mag release where as the MP5 has a lever much like the AK47, both weapons magazines are strong an reliable. The cost of AR15 mags is cheaper then the cost of MP5 magazines though MP5 mags store in a smaller lighter package.

AR15 stock sights are some of the best on any battle rifle out, fully adjustable. The MP5 stock sights are not bad at all and offer some of the same features as the AR15 but lack the level of adjustability.

The AR15 has the option of standard rails to make attaching sights, scopes, back up sights much easier and more cost effective. The MP5 has a claw type scope mount, but dose now have a rail system for the forend available aftermarket though the cost is twice what the same thing for an AR15 cost.

Aftermarket parts are more widely available for the AR15 and cheaper in most cases. The MP5 parts available are made out side of country most of the time and cost shows that.

The AR15 is used by most police forces and every branch of the US military, the Magazines are a NATO standard. The MP5 shoots a NATO pistol round but the magazines are not standard.

The weights of both rifles is near that same , though the Mp5 with side folder or sliding stock can be shorter.

Though I find the MP5 fun to shoot and a good weapon I would take the AR15 any day, even if I had to have a 9mm it would be a AR15.
 
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Discussion Starter · #13 ·
Yea if your paying good money its a real MP5 or nothing IMO. I stick with the AR, however if it was me and could get a real H&K MP5 for even 5K it be a no brainer.
 
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Discussion Starter · #14 ·
i think the only plus on the MP5 would be rate of fire if it were full auto (and capacity). if it's only semiauto, you're basically getting just capacity. it's only a handgun round and won't be as versatile. It is maybe shorter/more easily handled in tight places but if you get a good, short Ar-15/M4gery, then that is marginal.
the AR 15 is going to be much more versatile... much better penetration against BG's with body armor and much longer range than the MP5.
I don't know what circumstances your going to be placed in but my impression as a reserve officer is that you're more likely to participate in stand off situations, etc as opposed to being sent in to clear buildings (leave that to SWAT, etc). The AR will be infinitely more helpful for the former.
 
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Discussion Starter · #15 ·
marvin74 said:
they do offer them in semi auto with out full auto it is a clone i did not plan on getting a real h&K fullauto anyway that about 5000.00 more that i want to spend
Must not be any writing skills required on the exam for "reserve" officer!;) Seriously, though, any Rambolista fantasies aside, get the AR!
 
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Discussion Starter · #17 ·
I wanted an MP5 clone, til i realized there weren't very many solid clones from the box. www.hkpro.com i've been a memberr there for a while, and all of the manufacturers (other than HKs 94 series) have more than one post saying how thye had problems.

ar's are almost NEVER like that. they sell thousands of them and very few have problems... too bad tho, cuz i LOVE mp5's... (clones, whatever :roll:)
 
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