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I want to purchase a Rock River Arms CAR-15 tactical rifle. There is one available at my local shop for $1000.

My question is:

What other rifles should I consider? I want to shoot it a lot at the range, so ammunition cost is a factor. What other manufacturers are there to consider?
 
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If you are looking for info on Ar15's check out ar15.com.

I own a Rock River AR and love it, shoots great and has a nice finish to it. If you looking to save a few bucks you might want to consider putting one together yourself. Its a matter of buying a lower receiver and an upper receiver and putting them together with 2 quick disconnect pins (takes 10 seconds at the most. I did this with my Rock River and ended up paying around $675 for a complete rifle.

Here is a company that makes a great product and the prices are dirt cheap. They have complete lowers for $200 and uppers for $415.
http://www.ameetecarms.com

I would personally stick with these companies for AR's:
Colt
Rock River
Ameetec
Bushmaster
Armalite

-Derek

 
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Rock River is a great company for AR15's.

I personally like the S&W M&P AR-15, especially the Tactical model with quad rail and flat top.

There's not much cheaper ammo for an "assault rifle" than the .223.

The only other option would be to buy/turn the AR to fire 9mm. Or else get a 10/22 Ruger and modify the heck out of it for plinking.
 
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Rock River is a great company for AR15's.

I personally like the S&W M&P AR-15, especially the Tactical model with quad rail and flat top.

There's not much cheaper ammo for an "assault rifle" than the .223.

The only other option would be to buy/turn the AR to fire 9mm. Or else get a 10/22 Ruger and modify the heck out of it for plinking.
Do you own a S&W AR???? I had a chance to check one out a few months back and was very impressed with the appearance and feel of it. The only negative I have heard is that they tend to be a bit more picky when it comes to ammo. Is this true???

I actually just bought 500 rounds of Wolf .223 from a guy with a S&W AR. He said it was having issues with the spent case getting stuck in the chamber.

-Derek
 
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I heard that Colt AR's tend to not be quite as accepting of typical AR parts/accessories... tend to be more 'proprietary'to Colt parts. This statement is completely heresay from a fellow AR-15 owner so it could be untrue. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
 
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I heard that Colt AR's tend to not be quite as accepting of typical AR parts/accessories... tend to be more 'proprietary'to Colt parts. This statement is completely heresay from a fellow AR-15 owner so it could be untrue. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
I have heard the same thing.

-Derek
 
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I don't own one, but when I do, it will be the M&PTactical. Unless the RR has a really good price, or Sig 556 fixes all their bugs and lowers their price.
I haven't heard about the Wolf ammo issue, 2 of our officers here have them in their patrol vehicles, (2 others have a CX4 Storm Carbine). They don't use Wolf as far as they've mentioned though. I'll have to ask.

Do you own a S&W AR???? I had a chance to check one out a few months back and was very impressed with the appearance and feel of it. The only negative I have heard is that they tend to be a bit more picky when it comes to ammo. Is this true???

I actually just bought 500 rounds of Wolf .223 from a guy with a S&W AR. He said it was having issues with the spent case getting stuck in the chamber.

-Derek
 
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I personally would rather build my own, so I can add a higher quality bolt and barrel right from the getgo. However, if you are absolutely bent of buying a pre-assembled AR, Rock River is an excellent choice. I've heard nothing but very good things. I'd also look at DPMS, or for something a little higher on the totem pole, Bushmaster. All are great brands for the casual shooter, and shouldn't give you any trouble.

And please, I know that there are some of you who are just itching to chime in with the "three tier, Colt is the best and everything else is garbage" principal here...but lets save that debate for another thread. The OP, from what I can tell, is only looking for a target rifle/plinker/range toy, not something to take with him to Afghanistan as a contractor, that he'll be betting his life on. Is everyone ok with that? :)
 
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My old AR was a DPMS lower with a Bushmaster upper. The to receivers didn't even have play room, totally lucky fit i guess. Never had any problems with it, and it ate everything I fed it.
 
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Please refer to them as "homeland security devices" the anti's think that "assult rifles" are scary... :shock:
 
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Although my Walmart just raised the price of 9mm 100 packs, it is still cheaper than .223. It all depends what you really want to do with the rifle. I put a premium on fun rather that take-down power or target range, so I got me a 9mm AR. Olympic Arms upper on a DPMS lower.

If fun is all you want the rifle for: 9mm or .22 (dedicated, not conversion) AR15, Hi Point carbine, Beretta CX-4, Kel-Tec Sub 2000, or the 10/22 will all give you lots of enjoyment, I'm sure. As for homeland defense rifle types, you could look into an AK variant, maybe an SKS, or for a more rifle-looking item check out the Kel-Tec SU-16 rifles.

With anything, do as much research as you can on whatever you are considering.
 
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They make AKs in .223 cal?
Yup:
http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Arsenal_SLR-106CR_.223_5.56x45_AK_Rifle.html
http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Arsenal_SLR-106FR_.223_5.56.45_AK_Rifle.html
(not too sure of the difference between the two, but theyre separate)

But, if you want a unique assault rifle that fires a common round, take a look at these:
http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Galil_Sporter_.223_Rifle.html

If I hadnt built an AR earlier this year, i would buy one of these in a heartbeat before they disappear.
 
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I got my Stag AR for $859, the tactical was around $1000 I think. I havent shot it yet but it feels like a quality piece.
 
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Do you own a S&W AR???? I had a chance to check one out a few months back and was very impressed with the appearance and feel of it. The only negative I have heard is that they tend to be a bit more picky when it comes to ammo. Is this true???

I actually just bought 500 rounds of Wolf .223 from a guy with a S&W AR. He said it was having issues with the spent case getting stuck in the chamber.

-Derek
I love my M&P15, but am trying to sell it for a longer range gun. I want to get some distance (300-400 yards) with a custom sniper.

http://www.xdtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44310

Too bad you're not in Indiana! Shipping for long guns can be a pain in the arse.
 
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Please refer to them as "homeland security devices" the anti's think that "assult rifles" are scary... :shock:
Sort of sounds silly, but please follow his advise and don't give folks ammo to label you (or us law abiding firearm owners) as a "wacko."

"Assualt rifles" are fully automatic or selective fire. They also start at about $12,000-$15,000 these day, and what you are looking for is an squirl hunting rifle or a "homeland security device."

There are a lot of great AR pattern rifles out there these days, making a bad deciscion is getting harder to do.
 
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Please refer to them as "homeland security devices" the anti's think that "assult rifles" are scary... :shock:
I was going to suggest "sporting tactical" as an alternate.

And if you're looking for a great place to buy any RRA.....try AR15sales.com
I think they can do a bit better than $1000. Send them (Pete) and e-mail.
 
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Damn it jedi, I'm trying to save up some money for other guns, and you go a post a pic of a beautiful mid-length.
I don't need to start another build, I don't need to start another build, I don't need to start another build. Maybe if I keep on repeating that I'll start to believe it. Nice mid-length BTW
 
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