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Any recomendations on a first time black rifle? AR? Which configuration and brand? Best bang for the buck? Thinking about entering some local three gun events... if my shotgun is pump will that hinder me.
 
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I'm looking at getting the Bushy M4A3. http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Bushmaster_Rifles.html

I was told, dont know if its true, but Bushmasters are "cheaper" due to the fact they are mass-produced vs RRA. I always thought RRA was cheaper than Bushy. The same guy said Bushmaster is more easy going with sending out replacement parts since they are just pumping out parts and guns.
 
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i would not go so cheap that you end up with something made by olympic arms...

go bushy!
 
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RRA has raised their prices on complete rifles this past year. I bought mine 5 years ago for under $800. Nowadays, the best you can do is buy the upper and lower as separates. You'll likely come in around $875, with chrome barrel and BUIS included. When you buy the Bushy as a complete rifle, it might pay a little more, but chrome lining is standard, but you're also stuck with the detachable carry handle. If you ditch it and decide to go with optics, you still need to spend the money on a BUIS. I'm a firm believer in RRA, but Bushmaster also makes a fine rifle. I think with RRA you have more flexibility in customizing the rifle to your needs. With Bushmaster you take what you get, and then have to add & sell to get your desired result. Either way lands you with a top quality AR. :twisted:
 
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Whatever you buy, get the upper & lower separate and you will save quite a bit. Something to do with tax.

I would get a Stag.

http://www.stagarms.com/rightrifles.htm

I have the model 2. Got mine for a little over about $740 (including 2 -30 rounds mags & FFL transfer for the lower).

Go to the Equipment Exchange at Ar15.com and look for good deals from one of their reputable dealers. I used JKiser and people have had good luck with others on that board.

http://ar15.com/forums/board.html?b=7

Good luck!
 
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Check out J&T Distributing and build your own...it is a great experience, not real hard to do, and very satisfying knowing you have some sweat equity in your rifle.

If a complete rifle is your goal, give a look at Double Star arms...they are a branch of J&T (or visa-sersa). The folks there are top notch people and they sell a high quality product.
 
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I really do not think building your own is a good idea for a 1st timer. I've heard of so many stories of issues.

I would go with RRA or the new S&W models. I haven't read anything neg about them yet. In fact, before I bought my PS90, it was a toss up between the PS90 and the S&W tactical model. That tac model is their highest priced one, but they have 2 lower priced models.

RRA has all sorts of models. Go to their website and request a print catalog. Its easier to look at then going thru their website, IMHO.
 
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Chrome lined: with or without?

I had been looking at J&T Upper and lower it looks pretty simple to do and if I didn't want to do it myself a local gunsmith (store owner) will sell and put it together for a nominal fee & or look over my shoulder while I'm doing it for nothing.

I was also looking at a Bushmaster and a Smith but the smiths that I had seen looked pretty pricy maybe I was looking at a more expensive model.

Trying to stay as far under 1,000 as possible without getting junk. It would be great to fall in the 650- 800 range.

What do you all think of DPMS?
 
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PPP said:
Chrome lined: with or without?

What do you all think of DPMS?
Go chrome if an option. 2 of my 4 barrels are chrome lined. The non-chromelined barrels I have were purchased at a steel.

All I own is DPMS populated lowers (4) and 2 DPMS barrels. I have nothing but good things to say about them. Fit, finish, and function have been flawless.
 
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I currently having a custom M4 upper being made by Noveske Rifle Works for my Private Security Details. I'm spending $600 on the upper & about $700 from M-A Parts for my rail kit & BUIS. For people that are on a budget Bushmaster isn't bad at all, but I suggest going to M-A Parts and getting a Upper Kit then finding you a complete bushmaster lower, you might end up saving so you can buy BUIS or anything else you need. If anyone needs help I'll be more than glad to help them out, I build AR uppers on a normal day basis, I deal with alot of the companies. I'm also including some links for AR's, but you must check out M-A Parts, I used one of their uppers in Iraq.

M-A Parts:http://www.m-aparts.com/
LMT:http://www.lewismachine.net/
Noveske Rifle Works:http://www.noveskerifleworks.com/
POF-USA:http://www.pof-usa.com/
SOG Armory:http://www.sogarmory.com/
Model1Sales:http://www.model1sales.com/
Rock River Arms:http://www.rockriverarms.com/
DPMS:http://www.dpmsinc.com/
Bushmster:http://www.bushmaster.com/
Atlantic Firearms:http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/

If anyone has any questions they can send me a PM, hope this helps.
 
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fastboy said:
I second that. A Colt 6920 for $911 is just impossible to beat.
Mind you that by the time you pay for that Colt at your Local FFL it will be about $1,000 due to shipping & their cut on the transfer fee. Colt isn't the only option out there, I say this due to the fact that my duty fifle @ base is a Colt. I've seen many other options out there that to me are just as good if not better, this is just MHO so don't line me up in front of the firing squad!;) The beauty of buying an AR is that there's so many options to choose from, the options are endless so just fined what you like & go from there.
 
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I've owned over 30 different AR's so far in my life, and they have all been DPMS. I've never had any problems with them. In fact, I still have 6 DPMS AR's in one of my long gun safes right now.

You can't go wrong with DPMS... Period! :mrgreen:
 
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184SFS said:
Mind you that by the time you pay for that Colt at your Local FFL it will be about $1,000 due to shipping & their cut on the transfer fee. Colt isn't the only option out there, I say this due to the fact that my duty fifle @ base is a Colt. I've seen many other options out there that to me are just as good if not better, this is just MHO so don't line me up in front of the firing squad!;) The beauty of buying an AR is that there's so many options to choose from, the options are endless so just fined what you like & go from there.
How do you like the Colt compared to others? I ask because this is one question I have been wondering. What fetches a Colt more money than a, say, Bushy? The name? Or other more tangible attributes?
 
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fastboy said:
How do you like the Colt compared to others? I ask because this is one question I have been wondering. What fetches a Colt more money than a, say, Bushy? The name? Or other more tangible attributes?
This is just MHO, when you buy a COLT you pay for the word COLT, if you look at a Bushy compared to a COLT you'll realize that there's no difference. For example my custom build upper will be on a Bushy Lower while in the states due to price, but when I go to work over is Tango's Backyard I use a Colt Lower due to the fact that it has 3 round burst on it & that is what I was issued.
 
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184SFS said:
This is just MHO, when you buy a COLT you pay for the word COLT, if you look at a Bushy compared to a COLT you'll realize that there's no difference. For example my custom build upper will be on a Bushy Lower while in the states due to price, but when I go to work over is Tango's Backyard I use a Colt Lower due to the fact that it has 3 round burst on it & that is what I was issued.
Thanks, good to know. I guess it's safe to say it probably matters in a true mil spec and select fire weapon; but in a civilian, neutered version, there is probably no noticeable difference.
 
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