I don't know that I would say a Stag is better quality, but they build a good rifle. Especially if you're a lefty.
what makes them illegal in NJ?Lazarus said:So I'm inquiring about a Bushmaster at the shop today and the guy said hes going to be getting some Stag ARs in. They are currently being modified to be legal in NJ, but he said they will be $100-$200 cheaper and better quality. Any truth to this?
I shoot both left and right handed and have no problem at all with either side. IMO I would not sacrifice the universal parts for a left side ejection port.jnclement said:I don't know that I would say a Stag is better quality, but they build a good rifle. Especially if you're a lefty.
Have to make 10 round mags for sure. The guy mentioned something about changing the stock too but I dont know of a restriction on stocks in NJ.nikon777 said:what makes them illegal in NJ?
wrongnikon777 said:Stag and RRA are made by the same people.
if your not sure, then why am i wrong? and your right, i did mean the LOWERS.ARin said:wrong
Continental machine and tool (stag's parent company) at ONE point was the manufacturer of the LOWER receivers for RRA....whether they still are or not, im not sure.
so does RRAARin said:Stag produces what is generally considered one of the best AR parts kits on the market.
There seems to be a large number of threads from patriots that are seeking to purchase/build an AR type rifle in some configuration. This post will provide most of the answers to those frequently asked questions.
No doubt this post will be somewhat controversial as I will invariably step on toes in this process and for that I apologize up front but also note that I will not compromise my personal integrity by holding back on the truth.
Obviously this post will be focused on tools that one could trust ones life too this post will not cover ARs that could be used as toys (fun guns for plinking/hunting/target shooting/etc.)
We will start with the characteristics of what it is we are looking for in an AR tool then we will discuss the manufacturers that are making what we want followed by those that are making close to what we want. If the manufacturer is not listed in this post I will not trust my life to it PERIOD. ALL other manufacturers make toys.
The three MOST important parts of the AR are the barrel, bolt and bolt carrier. Consider this the chamber pressure in an AR when it fires is 50,000 PSI that is TWENTY FIVE TONS of pressure per square inch - and this is near your face! We only want the highest quality parts to contain those high pressure explosions that occur every time we touch off a round.
OK the barrel assy. We want:
1. Barrel made from 4150 steel
2. Chrome lined chamber and bore
3. 5.56mm chamber
4. Manganese Phosphate coating under the front sight base
5. Forged front sight assy
6. MagParticle inspected
7. 1x7 twist
1. Buy the bolt from one of the Tier Three or above manufacturers listed below.
The Bolt Carrier:
1. MagParticle inspected
2. Covered Firing Pin
3. Solid rear
4. Properly staked gas key
5. Chrome lined cylinder (where the gas rings on the bolt interface with the bolt carrier)
1. Forged 7075 T6 construction (not cast)
2. Mil-Spec true M1913 rails (if flat top)
3. Mil-Spec anodizing AFTER M4 ramps are cut
4. Mil-Spec small parts (forward assist, ejection port cover, etc.)
1. Forged 7075 T6 construction
2. Mil-Spec internals (no target or match grade parts)
Now lets look at manufacturers. There are only TWO manufacturers that are independently checked/tested to ensure they build mil-spec M series longarms (M16A2 and M4). These two manufacturers are Colt and FN. The US government inspectors ensure they build rifles to the spec.
There are other manufacturers that build to the mil-spec but they do so willfully and are not independently inspected to the spec. Some manufacturers build to the exact spec some build to portions of the spec some dont build to the spec at all.
The first category is what we will call TIER ONE manufacturers and are the ONLY two that build to the spec and are independently verified. They are:
1. COLT (only the military/LE rifles the civy Target models are not built to the spec)
Then next category is Tier Two - those manufactures that build to the exact spec but arent verified by US gov inspectors:
1. LMT (Lewis Machine and Tool)
2. BMC (Bravo Machine Company)
Tier Three are companies that build to the spec but dont shoot a proof round through each barrel before it is MagParticle inspected they MagPart inspect a percentage of barrels from each lot.
Tier Four companies build close to the spec but dont have 1x7 barrel twist dont shoot a proof load through each barrel (they like CMMG above inspect a percentage of barrels from each lot) and dont Manganese Phosphate coat the barrel under the front sight base:
These other manufacturers use sub-standard barrel material (4140) chambers that may or may not be 5.56 in short they are rifles that are build under the standard. Having said that these Tier Five companies do build some quality rifles just understand that according the Spec which is how we must judge ARs these are further sub-par than any of the Tier Four and up. The following companies are not listed in any particular order:
2. Stag Arms
3. Smith and Wesson (Stag)
4. CMT (which makes Stag and S&W)
5. Rock River Arms (RRA)
Then there is the Tier Six companies which I wouldnt recommend to anyone. The Tier Six companies are any AR manufacturer that is not listed above. Note that many parts houses use AR parts made by one of the above manufacturers but they also buy parts made from who knows?? and is not something I would willingly put my life on the line with ..would you??
So armed with the above information I would suggest the following. Buy the assembled upper from any of the Tier Three and up manufacturers.
Buy ANY stripped lower receiver made by any Tier 5 and above manufacturers.
Get all lower receiver parts (actually all small parts) from any Tier 5 and above manufacturer.
Buy bolts/bolt carriers/barrels from any Tier Three and above manufacturer.
If you prefer to go down to your local gun store and just buy a rifle the only real choice to buy a rifle closest to the Spec is our only Tier Four manufacturer which is Bushmaster.
RRA, Armalite, Stag, et al all build quality rifles but they arent built even close to the same standard that the Tier Three (and arguably Tier Four) and above companies do.
Hope this helps,
Yeah, I try not to get too caught up in the tier thing though. Pretty much anything you build from Bushmaster, RRA, or Stag is gonna run like a top. RRA is good enough for the DEA & FBI.beaterar said:I was directed to this some time back from another board member, this IMO is the best factual what AR is better myth buster. I personally have done as the author suggested several times and have had noting but great success, I have built well over 40 AR15s and currently own 10 all of them are on lowers by Double Star, Sun Devil, RRA, DPMS, or Stag With that said I don't own an upper by any of the above companies
Thats what I was thinking. It would seem as they are both very good with just Stag being a little bit better quality but in this case it might be cheaper so I might just go the Stag.beaterar said:Ya its his opinion on what he would want his rifle to be, but the information is totally correct and accurate. With that said unless the rifle is CMMG or better then I believe I would buy the cheapest one available. So what I'm saying is that Stag is just as good as RRA and I wouldn't give 5 more dollars for a RRA over a Stag..... It doesn't offer anything more then stag.
LMT barrels arent phosphate coated under the FSB. and they use straight pins instead of tapers to hold on the FSB.beaterar said:I was directed to this some time back from another board member, this IMO is the best factual what AR is better myth buster. I personally have done as the author suggested several times and have had noting but great success, I have built well over 40 AR15s and currently own 10 all of them are on lowers by Double Star, Sun Devil, RRA, DPMS, or Stag With that said I don't own an upper by any of the above companies