Compromise and build a 18" SPR.
But either choices you can't go wrong with. Sub MOA at 100 yards is nothing on a quality M4gery.
My JP rifle (20" barrel) will shoot 1/2-3/4" groups at 200 meters all day long, and Praire Dogs at 500+ yards isn't much of a probelm either.HPD`SRT said:Just go buy a JP![]()
It's probably the ammo not you especially if it's mil-spec like SS109, M193 or M855. Reloading will get you better accuracy any day of the week.jnclement said:I can shoot 12" steel targets at 500m with my 16" Bushmaster patrolman all day. OK, I only hit about 50%, but I blame the trigger.
Those guns are the standard.......Period.40SWXDSHOOTER said:My JP rifle (20" barrel) will shoot 1/2-3/4" groups at 200 meters all day long, and Praire Dogs at 500+ yards isn't much of a probelm either.
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Well, the steel target goes clank, does that count? Just hold between the 1st and 2nd dot.Stump said:How is the 16" barrel for accuracy? Will it reach 500 yards with no problems or a lot less. I'm in a debate with myself over a 16" or 20" barrel at the moment.
Not everyone is into breaking into homes with a AR. Not everyone is into the tacticool commando type of shooting with their EBR. Did you ever think that people just like to plink and varmint hunt with their ARs?Alaskapopo said:Get a Colt 6920 or a LMT. Also 20 inch guns are a waste on a .223/5.56 in my opinion. The .223 is a close quarters round putting a 20 inch barrel on the gun gives you only a slight increase in down range performance at the expense of good handling characteristics in tight spaces. Try doing an entry on a trailer house with a 20 inch gun. Its not fun. 14-16 inch guns are much better all around choices.
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I don't gree that the .223 is a "close quarters round." It was based off the .222 Remington, and was originally designed as a varmint round. Performs well at long range, so long as you are shooting an appropriate target.Alaskapopo said:The .223 is a close quarters round putting a 20 inch barrel on the gun gives you only a slight increase in down range performance at the expense of good handling characteristics in tight spaces.
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I tend to think of the .223/5.56 in the roles that it was designed for, a combat round. As a combat round it is a short to medium ranged round. I know the .223 is very accurate at long range. (out to 600 meters in Highpower) But you don't need a 20 inch barrel to tap into that accuracy. If accuracy is all you want barrel length is not an issue. One of the most accurate .223's I ever shot was a TC contender with a 10 inch barrel. It would shoot 1/4 moa.Kimura said:I don't gree that the .223 is a "close quarters round." It was based off the .222 Remington, and was originally designed as a varmint round. Performs well at long range, so long as you are shooting an appropriate target.
Thats fine I am not a hunter so I don't think in those terms. I think in terms of how I use the gun. Buy what you like and be happy.Odin said:Not everyone is into breaking into homes with a AR. Not everyone is into the tacticool commando type of shooting with their EBR. Did you ever think that people just like to plink and varmint hunt with their ARs?![]()
I didn't mean to criticise. While it is true that a 16" barrel is as accurate ( I personaly believe it is more accurate, due to greater structural rigidity) as a 20" barrel, that doesn't mean the user is. At longer ranges, that few extra inches of sight radius can make a big difference. It is really a funtion of what the original poster wants to do with his rifle. My AR is a 16" lightweight CAR, because I use it mostly as a walking-around rifle when out scouting and as a last ditch HD weapon for my fiance. A dedicated hunting gun, however, would probably be better off as a 20" or 24", due to the fact that, in a round such as the 5.56, the velocity loss can be substantial depending on the rate of burn of your powder. It is all relative.Alaskapopo said:I tend to think of the .223/5.56 in the roles that it was designed for, a combat round. As a combat round it is a short to medium ranged round. I know the .223 is very accurate at long range. (out to 600 meters in Highpower) But you don't need a 20 inch barrel to tap into that accuracy. If accuracy is all you want barrel length is not an issue. One of the most accurate .223's I ever shot was a TC contender with a 10 inch barrel. It would shoot 1/4 moa.
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