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Discussion Starter · #1 ·
This post is borrowed from the LWRC forum.


Having spent time with both the HK416 and LWRC M6A2/A1 on the range, I'd say go with the LWRC. You could buy an M6A1/A2 complete carbine or upper now. Many of the dealers carry some stock even with the huge demands for them. It's up to you. The HK is a good gun, but the LWRC has features that make it superior in my opinion. While HK is offering CHF barrels, keep in mind that CHF barrels are not all the same. LWRC has access to a lot of new technology that will make their CHF barrels even more durable than the uber-barrels. Let me just say the chrome lining is so 20th century. In addition the LWRC retains a high level of parts commonality with traditional AR's which is especially important on the modern battlefield.

Here's a list of features the LWRC has that make it superior to any other piston operated AR style weapon. This info has come from numerous individuals to include current LWRC employees Darren, Jesse, and Jason.

LWRC piston operated gas system
- 100% of all carbon, fouling, and debris that doesn't leave the muzzle are vented out of the piston cup under the handguards. This may not seem important, but it reduces the visual and auditory signature especially when running the gun suppressed. The LWRC is, apples for apples, the quietest AR style rifle available when suppressed.
- Little to no heat transfer to bolt parts
- Any excess gas that does not leave the muzzle vents through three small bleed off valves on the piston cup
- Gas system is self regulating
- Gas system not affected by the presence of water
- Multiple piece pusher rod assembly rather than single piece reduces the potential for catastrophic failure in the event of a high pressure round.
- User removable without tools
- Cold hammer forged barrel with unique LWRC surface conversion process
- Free floating
- Easily resists damage caused by obstructed bore occurrences and/or extreme extended firing sessions
- Will easily exceed 30,000 rounds with less than 5% loss in accuracy and muzzle velocity
- Varied gas piston component lengths and gas port location on all barrel lengths allow for flexibility in system including an 8” VSBR
- Replaced by armorer in less than 2 minutes without tools
- Headspace automatically fixed upon reinstallation
- Chamber and bore go through a unique surface conversion process that is twice as hard and 3 times as lubricious as hard chrome
- Two piece bolt carrier has increased flexibility over one piece design
- Enlarged tail end of bolt carrier to eliminate carrier tilt
- No spring loaded firing pin and firing pin safety that unnecessarily complicates a proven 50 year old design
- Limited possibility of slam fires and drop induced discharges through a proven 50 year old design
- Improved Bolt Design with the ACB
- Extractor does not require removal for cleaning
- Fully supported bolt face (ACB)
- Refined locking lugs (ACB)
- No gas rings required
- Over-The-Beach capability
- Drainage hole in the buffer tube
- Hammer Forged barrel and proprietary internal chamber and barrel mods/dimensions designed to withstand extreme pressure during OTB operation
Improved buffer and buffer spring
- H2 Tungsten weight buffer and 20% stronger buffer spring help improve function by preventing light primer strikes and eliminating bolt bounce
- Four quadrant picatinny rail system
- No loss in zero after removal and reinstallation
- 90% parts commonality with legacy weapon systems
- Same height 12 o’clock rail as legacy weapons allows 100% compatibility with legacy accessories and mounting systems
- Reduced weight; some configurations weigh a full pound less than comparable piston guns
- Available in SOCOM Flat Dark Earth or Black
- Excellent customer service
- Lifetime Warranty

These are just a few of the many features the LWRC has that make it a superior weapon. Don't forget it's been combat proven and exhaustively tested by some of the finest military units in the world. Another thanks to Darren, Jesse, Jason, and other employees at LWRC for the information provided.

Sorry for the long post, but if you ask me, I'd suggest going with the LWRC over the HK.

And a bit 'o piston porn.
 
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Discussion Starter · #6 ·
i've always wanted to see their piston system as compared to the one in my Bushy, i've seen pictures of their original design, but i wanted to know what's in their new rifles.

my bushy looks exactly like the POF models... only not all shineh!
 
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Discussion Starter · #11 ·
i've always wanted to see their piston system as compared to the one in my Bushy, i've seen pictures of their original design, but i wanted to know what's in their new rifles.

my bushy looks exactly like the POF models... only not all shineh!

Did you buy your Bushie with the piston or did you do a retro fit? If you bought it with the piston standard is the bolt carrier the same as the one they do with a retro fit?

Much as I like the PWS system I will probably go with the Bushie retro because I have a Bushie and it will allow me to keep my stock front sight.

Eventually I'll want to replace the handguards with a nice rail set up but gall darn they are spendy little affairs!
 
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Discussion Starter · #12 ·
also, for the folks reading this, please know that Stephens post was in direct response to a DIFFERENT post by a different person, espousing the benefits of the HK system over the LWRC.

Having spent time with both platforms on the range and owning an HK upper, I'd say go with the HK. You could buy an MR223 when it's released and leave it as is, buy an MR223 and compliment it with 416 parts such as FA carriers and short barrels, or buy a 416 upper now. It's up to you. The LWRC is a good gun, but the HK has features that make it superior in my opinion. While LWRC is offering CHF barrels, keep in mind that CHF barrels are not all the same. HK has been making them for years and they produce some of, if not the best small arms barrels available anywhere. The LWRC does retain a high level of parts commonality with traditional AR's, but if you were going for parts commonality, it wouldn't make sense to buy any piston AR as they ALL have proprietary parts.

Here's a list of features the HK has that make it superior to any other piston operated AR style weapon. This info has come from numerous individuals to include former HK employee G3Kurz and current employees at HK.

HK piston operated gas system
- 95% of all carbon, fouling, and debris leave the muzzle upon firing rather than venting under the handguards like other piston AR's
- Little to no heat transfer to bolt parts
- Any excess gas that does not leave the muzzle vents through a small bleed off valve on the front portion of the gas block
- Gas system is self regulating
- Gas system not effected by the presence of water
- One piece pusher rod assembly rather than several pieces
- User removeable without tools
Cold hammer forged barrel with unique HK tapered bore profile
- Free floating
- Easily resists damage caused by obstructed bore occurances and/or extreme extended firing sessions
- Will easily exceed 20,000 rounds with less than 5% loss in accuracy and muzzle velocity
- Same gas piston components and gas port location on all barrel lengths
- Replaced by armorer in less than 4 minutes
- Headspace automatically fixed upon reinstallation
- Chamber and bore chrome plated for corrosion resistance
One piece bolt carrier
- Increased durability over two piece design
- Bell shape at rear end of carrier to eliminate carrier tilt
Spring loaded firing pin and firing pin safety
- Eliminates slam fires and drop induced discharges
Improved Bolt Design
- Support lug on extractor and barrel extension to prevent excess compression of extractor spring and to prevent extractor from blowing off during OTB operation
- Extractor does not require removal for cleaning
- Fully supported bolt face
- Refined locking lugs
- No gas rings required
Over-The-Beach capability
- As mentioned above, the improved bolt design aids in the weapon's ability to reliably operate OTB; This includes the support lug on the extractor and barrel extension and the fully supported bolt face
- Drainage hole on under side of bolt carrier
- Drainage holes in the buffer tube
- Proprietary internal barrel mods/dimensions designed to withstand extreme pressure during OTB operation
Improved buffer and buffer spring
- Tungsten granulate buffer and 20% stronger buffer spring help improve function by preventing light primer strikes and eliminating bolt bounce
- Improved buffer retainer (only on factory HK lower)
Four quadrant picatinny rail system
- No loss in zero after removal and reinstallation
Longer barrel threads on upper receiver (10mm)
- Improved barrel retention
- Improved accuracy


These are just a few of the many features the HK has that make it a superior weapon. Don't forget it's been combat proven and exhaustively tested by some of the finest military units in the world. Another thanks to G3Kurz and employees at HK for the information provided.

Sorry for the long post, but if you ask me, I'd suggest going with the HK over the LWRC.


Tspeis
Last edited by Tspeis : 03-31-2008 at 09:47 PM.
 
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Discussion Starter · #13 ·
also, for the folks reading this, please know that Stephens post was in direct response to a DIFFERENT post by a different person, espousing the benefits of the HK system over the LWRC.
That guy was WAY wrong. ;)
 
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