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" The people at LWRC are sure to have some hefty nightmares. SIG is certain to look pretty shabby with their lackluster 556. This is going to be good "

http://hkpro.com/hkpro416civilianannouncement.htm

 

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They had their chance a few years ago.
I am no longer willing to put up with their high prices and poor customer support.

The fact they did indeed, thumb their noses at the civilian market makes it even easier.
I wanted a 416 when I first heard about them, now I have a XCR

 

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Too late.

 

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I will buy one of each as soon as I can afford it. One thing HK does is make very reliable rifles.
Pat

 

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those should be cheap

 

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those should be cheap

Good stuff is never cheap.
Pat

 

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Good stuff is never cheap.
Pat

Someone likes Kool aid WAAAY too much.

 

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i know hk is a good brand.. but whats so cool about those

 

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i know hk is a good brand.. but whats so cool about those

The Gas piston system they are using. The HK416 is working very well over seas from what I hear and needs a lot less cleaning than a conventional M4.
Pat

 

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Someone likes Kool aid WAAAY too much.

Its something I have come to learn over the years. Buy quality up front and cry once (initial sticker shock). Buy crap and cry cry cry later on.
Also when Larry Vickers endorses something its good to listen.
Pat

 

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ahh.. does it kick less than a M4?

 

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ahh.. does it kick less than a M4?

No but using a gas piston instead of blowing gas directly into the chamber area it does not get dirty nearly as fast. I like the standard M4 but it craps where it eats so to speak. Direct gas guns are like that. They take the gas and push it directly into the bolt carrier to run the gun. That puts a lot of gunk inside the reciever. A gas piston gun does not. They run cleaner and cooler. You can fire a lot more rounds before a cleaning is needed with a gas piston design. Most military rifles employ gas pistols except the AR15 M4 series. For example the M14, AK 47, HK rifles ect all use gas pistons.
Pat

 

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Also when Larry Vickers endorses something its good to listen.
Pat

Of course he's going to endorse it. He was one of several guys who worked on some of the R&D.

Not knocking his talents or experience but would you expect him not to endorse it knowing this?

The big question here, is the 416 any better than any other piston driven engine? If so, how and where?

 

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No but using a gas piston instead of blowing gas directly into the chamber area it does not get dirty nearly as fast. I like the standard M4 but it craps where it eats so to speak. Direct gas guns are like that. They take the gas and push it directly into the bolt carrier to run the gun. That puts a lot of gunk inside the reciever. A gas piston gun does not. They run cleaner and cooler. You can fire a lot more rounds before a cleaning is needed with a gas piston design. Most military rifles employ gas pistols except the AR15 M4 series. For example the M14, AK 47, HK rifles ect all use gas pistons.
Pat

ok.. so before where the piston is.. how do you clean the gunk that is there?

 

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Army guy,
It would seem to clean the gunk in the piston area, a field strip would be in order (I can think of times that could be bad) though with having no more experience with the H&K version than anyone else here, is just a guess.

 

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Of course he's going to endorse it. He was one of several guys who worked on some of the R&D.

Not knocking his talents or experience but would you expect him not to endorse it knowing this?

The big question here, is the 416 any better than any other piston driven engine? If so, how and where?

Its the only combat proven piston going right now. Also POF has had some issues from what I hear of late. Also if Vickers was one of the guys to R&D it you know its going to be good.
Pat

 

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ok.. so before where the piston is.. how do you clean the gunk that is there?

Its where the gas tube would usually be under the forward hand guards and like any piston weapon you will not have to clean in there very often at all.
Pat

 

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Someone likes Kool aid WAAAY too much.

Guess I like the Kool Aid to because I would buy one right now if the money was available.

 

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XCR's are just as accurate as AR's

XCR's barrels are easy to swap out (just an allen bolt)

XCR's has multi caliber capabilities (just a bolt swap and quick barrel change)

XCR's has an integrated one peice rail upper

XCR's kicks less than AR's

XCR's runs a lot cooler and a lot cleaner because of the piston

XCR's are $1400

Why do I want an HK 416?

 

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Its something I have come to learn over the years. Buy quality up front and cry once (initial sticker shock). Buy crap and cry cry cry later on.
Also when Larry Vickers endorses something its good to listen.
Pat

Agreed When your life may be on the line is it worth another $1000? I would say yes.