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Discussion Starter · #2 ·
They had their chance a few years ago.
I am no longer willing to put up with their high prices and poor customer support.

The fact they did indeed, thumb their noses at the civilian market makes it even easier.
I wanted a 416 when I first heard about them, now I have a XCR
 
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Discussion Starter · #4 ·
I will buy one of each as soon as I can afford it. One thing HK does is make very reliable rifles.
Pat
 
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Discussion Starter · #10 ·
Someone likes Kool aid WAAAY too much.:D
Its something I have come to learn over the years. Buy quality up front and cry once (initial sticker shock). Buy crap and cry cry cry later on.
Also when Larry Vickers endorses something its good to listen.
Pat
 
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Discussion Starter · #12 ·
ahh.. does it kick less than a M4?
No but using a gas piston instead of blowing gas directly into the chamber area it does not get dirty nearly as fast. I like the standard M4 but it craps where it eats so to speak. Direct gas guns are like that. They take the gas and push it directly into the bolt carrier to run the gun. That puts a lot of gunk inside the reciever. A gas piston gun does not. They run cleaner and cooler. You can fire a lot more rounds before a cleaning is needed with a gas piston design. Most military rifles employ gas pistols except the AR15 M4 series. For example the M14, AK 47, HK rifles ect all use gas pistons.
Pat
 
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Discussion Starter · #13 ·
Also when Larry Vickers endorses something its good to listen.
Pat
Of course he's going to endorse it. He was one of several guys who worked on some of the R&D.

Not knocking his talents or experience but would you expect him not to endorse it knowing this?

The big question here, is the 416 any better than any other piston driven engine? If so, how and where?
 
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Discussion Starter · #14 ·
No but using a gas piston instead of blowing gas directly into the chamber area it does not get dirty nearly as fast. I like the standard M4 but it craps where it eats so to speak. Direct gas guns are like that. They take the gas and push it directly into the bolt carrier to run the gun. That puts a lot of gunk inside the reciever. A gas piston gun does not. They run cleaner and cooler. You can fire a lot more rounds before a cleaning is needed with a gas piston design. Most military rifles employ gas pistols except the AR15 M4 series. For example the M14, AK 47, HK rifles ect all use gas pistons.
Pat
ok.. so before where the piston is.. how do you clean the gunk that is there?
 
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Discussion Starter · #15 ·
Army guy,
It would seem to clean the gunk in the piston area, a field strip would be in order :( (I can think of times that could be bad) though with having no more experience with the H&K version than anyone else here, is just a guess.
 
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Discussion Starter · #16 ·
Of course he's going to endorse it. He was one of several guys who worked on some of the R&D.

Not knocking his talents or experience but would you expect him not to endorse it knowing this?

The big question here, is the 416 any better than any other piston driven engine? If so, how and where?
Its the only combat proven piston going right now. Also POF has had some issues from what I hear of late. Also if Vickers was one of the guys to R&D it you know its going to be good.
Pat
 
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Discussion Starter · #17 ·
ok.. so before where the piston is.. how do you clean the gunk that is there?
Its where the gas tube would usually be under the forward hand guards and like any piston weapon you will not have to clean in there very often at all.
Pat
 
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Discussion Starter · #19 ·
XCR's are just as accurate as AR's

XCR's barrels are easy to swap out (just an allen bolt)

XCR's has multi caliber capabilities (just a bolt swap and quick barrel change)

XCR's has an integrated one peice rail upper

XCR's kicks less than AR's

XCR's runs a lot cooler and a lot cleaner because of the piston

XCR's are $1400

Why do I want an HK 416?
 
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Discussion Starter · #20 ·
Its something I have come to learn over the years. Buy quality up front and cry once (initial sticker shock). Buy crap and cry cry cry later on.
Also when Larry Vickers endorses something its good to listen.
Pat
Agreed When your life may be on the line is it worth another $1000? I would say yes.
 
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