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I have an M4 with a vertical front grip so I was was wondering the best way to sight in a scope and have it sit on some sort of ransom rest?

I really do not want to take off the VFG as it was a pain to hammer on there.

I have a short 10 round mag to use.

Currently I have been doing trial and error with a Caldwell front bag but supporting it with my shoulder in the back.

I know this is not ideal or 100% foolproof.

Any suggestions?

 

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A Ransom Rest is designed for pistols and I can't imagine how you would get an AR to work in one. For sighting rifles most people use a front and rear bag setup.

 

[Guest]

A Ransom Rest is designed for pistols and I can't imagine how you would get an AR to work in one. For sighting rifles most people use a front and rear bag setup.

I have seen ransom rests for hunting rifles.

 

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A Ransom Rest is designed for pistols and I can't imagine how you would get an AR to work in one. For sighting rifles most people use a front and rear bag setup.

+1. If you can't get it on with bags, how do you expect to hit anything when you shoot?

 

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+1. If you can't get it on with bags, how do you expect to hit anything when you shoot?

I am hitting targets at 200 yards out but I wanted to see if I could dial it in even more by taking some human error out of the picture and stabalizing it even further.

 

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I don't know what to tell you. I guess you could get a lead sled or some other rifle rest, but I've never heard of one that would accomedate a VFG. I still think your best bet is to add a rear bag.

 

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I don't know what to tell you. I guess you could get a lead sled or some other rifle rest, but I've never heard of one that would accomedate a VFG. I still think your best bet is to add a rear bag.

Do you think the little bags at Walmart would be adequate for a folding rear stock?

I think they come in a set.

The front Caldwell bag is high enough to let the VFG clear the concrete bench and the quad rail sits in it pretty snug.

 

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I've got the Walmart shooting bags they work just fine and have shot my Colt 6920 off of them. It has a Tango Down VFG.

 

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Do you think the little bags at Walmart would be adequate for a folding rear stock?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think what he was trying to say was: Why try to benchrest a carbine with a VFG attached? If you are really interested in the benched potential of the rifle, how much trouble is it to pull off the VFG? After all, most people spend money on railed forends and expensive forward grips,surely the grip is easily removed? With the VFG attached, you're already intedning on using the VFG as a front support, so the only other focal point would be the rear of the stock.

I have to agree with the line of thought. Setting up a fast CQB Carbine is a whole 'nother ballgame than setting up a long distance bench rifle. If we want to talk ballistics, how effective is that carbine going to be past 150 yards? I have shot my M4gery at 200 yards standing and made torso hits. I'm happy with that. After all, that's more than the intended effective range.

You've mentioned a folding stock. What setup are you running? An LR-300, Olympic Arms, other? The stock design used will necessitate a different height rear rest.

YMMV,

B9

 

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think what he was trying to say was: Why try to benchrest a carbine with a VFG attached? If you are really interested in the benched potential of the rifle, how much trouble is it to pull off the VFG? After all, most people spend money on railed forends and expensive forward grips,surely the grip is easily removed? With the VFG attached, you're already intedning on using the VFG as a front support, so the only other focal point would be the rear of the stock.

I have to agree with the line of thought. Setting up a fast CQB Carbine is a whole 'nother ballgame than setting up a long distance bench rifle. If we want to talk ballistics, how effective is that carbine going to be past 150 yards? I have shot my M4gery at 200 yards standing and made torso hits. I'm happy with that. After all, that's more than the intended effective range.

You've mentioned a folding stock. What setup are you running? An LR-300, Olympic Arms, other? The stock design used will necessitate a different height rear rest.

YMMV,

B9

I had to trim the VFG with a dremmel and use a rubber mallet to bang it on. It's a Tangodown VFG so it was not cheap but also not easy to get on and off. I have the VFG because I will use it for 3 gun but I also have a scope with ARMS mounts for more accurate shooting.

I know the military ARs are 20" but to say that 200 yards is past the effective range of a 16" carbine doesn't seem correct. I shoot mine at 200 all the time with irons or the scope.

It's a Busmaster M4 Patrolman 16".

I only have one AR so I wanted this rifle to be able to do various things.

 

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I have a Bushmaster M4 Patrolman 16" also. I shoot it at our ranges 300, 400 and 500 meter steel plates all the time. When I miss at 500, it isn't the rifles fault.

 

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Well a nifty trick here is using Rice, a zip lock bag and a heavy wool sock (e.g. USGI issue green wool socks). Use a large zip lock bag, fill it with rice, put that in the sock, tie off the open end in a couple of knots and wallah! I use 4 of these for anything from better support for the AR's to rear support for the Remington 700.