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I have a guy that works with me that is a Legal Permanent Resident (Has a green card). He recently went in to a local gun store to purchase an AR-15 and they told him that he needs to be a citizen to do so. He called the state police and the ATF to verify this and they said as a permanent resident he had a right to purchase an AR-15. The only thing he can't do in the USA is vote. Lol

Does anyone know what the heck the gun store is talking about. This is going to be his home defense rifle. And maybe a little target practice / plinking.
 
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The guy at the gunstore didnt want to sell a gun, as I see it. tell him to go to another store.
 
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If he can buy any other firearm in Virginia he should be able to buy an AR15. Like Itchy_trigger said, I'd try another gun shop.
 
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Permanent residents can purchase rifle. They just need to provide proof of residence in the country for the last three months in addition to their green card at the time they fill out the NICS form. In majority of incidences they will be put on a waiting period for a more stringent background check before being approved. I've heard people going through the same process enough to know this, the gun shop should definitely know better.

Tell your friend to go to a more reputable and larger store like Gander Mountain or Cabelas.

Another thing your friend CAN'T do, other than vote, is to buy handguns.:cool: Handgun ownership is another test of US citizenship.
 
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Friend of mine is a legal permanent resident from the Philipines. He has bought multiple guns. The gun store guy is a tool.
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All gunstores can sell on deny a sale with disgretion of the salesperson just like if a salesman want's to deny someone that comes in dressed like a gangbanger. Tell your buddy to go elsewhere for the purchase.
 
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I don't think an AR15 is the best home defense weapon. Tell him to get a good shotgun if he wants something for home protection.
 
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bikes_beer_guns_girls said:
All gunstores can sell on deny a sale with disgretion of the salesperson just like if a salesman want's to deny someone that comes in dressed like a gangbanger.
+1 It's completely at the discretion of the seller to deny a sale. He may have been unclear of the law and didn't want to 'take a chance' or perhaps he just didn't feel right about it.
 
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Any person selling anything can deny, at their discretion, any person of any product or service that they want. That's just the way it is. It's his property and he can sell it to whoever he wants.

I don't know the situation well enough to make a comment whether the guy was being an idiot or not, but I will tell you that, having worked in retail sales in the past, some customers are just idiots and you don't want to deal with them. They think you have to sell them something when, in reality, you don't have to sell them anything.
 
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tcmixman said:
I have a guy that works with me that is a Legal Permanent Resident (Has a green card). He recently went in to a local gun store to purchase an AR-15 and they told him that he needs to be a citizen to do so. He called the state police and the ATF to verify this and they said as a permanent resident he had a right to purchase an AR-15. The only thing he can't do in the USA is vote. Lol

Does anyone know what the heck the gun store is talking about. This is going to be his home defense rifle. And maybe a little target practice / plinking.
Where in Va are you, or what gun store is it......I may be able to help if you him get one...
 
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I have a friend who is a permanent resident. He has lived here for almost twenty years, since he was a child. His parents have become citizens but he still wants to hang onto his old citizenship. Either way, he has bought guns before and if you look carefully at the form you fill out, it will have the questions about your citizenship and if you are not then you must provide your assigned permanent residence code number. If you are a naturalized citizen, I believe on the form it also asks for some type of code to attest to your naturalization. Just ask the guy who says you have to be a citizen to buy why the government itself puts such questions on the NCIS forms.
 
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fastboy said:
Permanent residents can purchase rifle. They just need to provide proof of residence in the country for the last three months in addition to their green card at the time they fill out the NICS form. In majority of incidences they will be put on a waiting period for a more stringent background check before being approved. I've heard people going through the same process enough to know this, the gun shop should definitely know better.

Tell your friend to go to a more reputable and larger store like Gander Mountain or Cabelas.

Another thing your friend CAN'T do, other than vote, is to buy handguns.:cool: Handgun ownership is another test of US citizenship.
i am a green card holder and i have not only several assault rifle but several handguns....:rolleyes:
 
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gahau said:
i am a green card holder and i have not only several assault rifle but several handguns....:rolleyes:
Obviously I mis-quoted the State law as the Federal law. My bad.
 
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My buddy is a legal permanent resident from England. If you open his closet, thirty guns will fall out, including AR's, AK's SKS's, FN's.

I can tell you that my local gun dealer is hangout for all of the "in" people. Basically, people he likes hang out there and chat and drink coffee. I have spent hundreds of hours in there. I can tell you that he turns away countless customers based on their appearance. If they smell of alcohol, he will turn them away. If they look too gangster, he will turn them away. He doesn't care if he loses a sale, and he doesn't care if they ever return. He says he has less problems that way, and it is worth the few bucks he loses in sales.
 
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The original question had nothing to do with whether or not the gunstore was required to sell to him. It was whether or not he is legally allowed to buy a gun as a resident alien.

Of course the gunstore has the right to refuse to sell to him. And they can use whatever excuse they want (or no excuse). But if the guy actually believes that a resident alien can't buy a gun he's a tool.
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LUVMYSIGP225 said:
My buddy is a legal permanent resident from England. If you open his closet, thirty guns will fall out, including AR's, AK's SKS's, FN's.

I can tell you that my local gun dealer is hangout for all of the "in" people. Basically, people he likes hang out there and chat and drink coffee. I have spent hundreds of hours in there. I can tell you that he turns away countless customers based on their appearance. If they smell of alcohol, he will turn them away. If they look too gangster, he will turn them away. He doesn't care if he loses a sale, and he doesn't care if they ever return. He says he has less problems that way, and it is worth the few bucks he loses in sales.
wow, and the place I bought my gun from... I overheard the salesman one day after i had bought my gun, talking to a black male and female, who looked pretty shady, were talking about carrying the gun, etc. At the time, concealed carry hadn't even been decided on in the state yet. The salesman was telling them you can just stick this small gun in your pocket, or purse, etc. He would have sold them the gun in a heartbeat. The male especially, looked like a thug.. and not, it's not just because he was black. he just looked and acted shady, how he talked, presented himself.

But I just found it odd that the salesman was promoting carrying the gun concealed when it wasn't even legal to do here. They all were shady I guess.
 
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tcmixman said:
I have a guy that works with me that is a Legal Permanent Resident (Has a green card). He recently went in to a local gun store to purchase an AR-15 and they told him that he needs to be a citizen to do so. He called the state police and the ATF to verify this and they said as a permanent resident he had a right to purchase an AR-15. The only thing he can't do in the USA is vote. Lol

Does anyone know what the heck the gun store is talking about. This is going to be his home defense rifle. And maybe a little target practice / plinking.
Can't vote, run for office, or become a military officer. Certain jobs are also off the list due to security issues. But that is about it. Now it is illegal to demand citizenship for some awards or jobs, but you can require they are a registered voter (same difference).
But I never knew there was a restriction on firearms, or handguns. As a matter of fact, I've known a few residents to own handguns, so I'm not so sure about handguns being forbiden.
 
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