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Discussion Starter #5
For $200 why not buy a DMS-1?
I guess only for the looks. I would go for the dms too but......
This is an expensive webstore. I think in very litle time other stores will have the same item much cheeper (120-150$). The bad think with theese clones from China from my experience , is that about 2-5% of them have minor or big problems . So the luck factor must be there when you deside to buy . (I have an ACOG clone 4x32 , 2 aimpoint clones , and 1 docter clone , and i am more than satisfied when i use them with live firearms-even 12g shootguns)
 
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Discussion Starter #6
For $200 why not buy a DMS-1?
I guess only for the looks. I would go for the dms too but......
This is an expensive webstore. I think in very litle time other stores will have the same item much cheeper (120-150$). The bad think with theese clones from China from my experience , is that about 2-5% of them have minor or big problems . So the luck factor must be there when you deside to buy . (I have an ACOG clone 4x32 , 2 aimpoint clones , and 1 docter clone , and i am more than satisfied when i use them with live firearms-even 12g shootguns)
 
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Discussion Starter #7
I have one of the 4x32 FACOGs also. For some reason the crosshairs are crooked when tried on two diffrent flattop mounts but when mounted into a carry handle it works perfectly.

I took my chance and found one with a defect. Luckly I can still make it work I just have to run it on a carry handle.
 
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Discussion Starter #8
I have one of the 4x32 FACOGs also. For some reason the crosshairs are crooked when tried on two diffrent flattop mounts but when mounted into a carry handle it works perfectly.

I took my chance and found one with a defect. Luckly I can still make it work I just have to run it on a carry handle.
The good thing with the acog design is that has a build in capability to be mounted into a carry handle (perfect for m16a2). Even more , due to the short eye relief , it is perfect for quick (sight) transitions when it is used with a docter on top , making it ideal for close or medium range combat (or target shooting) at the same time . Theese features all exist in the FACOGs . It is not the same with the 1-3/4 scopes or even with the red dot magnifiers because with them it takes crutial time to change between cqc mode and medium range shooting mode. Plus wit the FACOGs you have the iron back-up at all time.
 
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Discussion Starter #9
My only gripe is that I feel the whole getup with the carry handle mount is that with the doc on top I feel that it is too tall of a package overall.
 
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It is tall but so is the German armys G-36s(dual sight=red dot+x3.5).And the Germans didnt even put any back-up irons on theire weapon . This is the best available combination i think.
 
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Discussion Starter #11
I think that mounting a sight on top of a carry handle is probably too tall as well. Anyway, I'm with what Jeep said, this thing is targeted towards airsoft kids. Most of them, I'm sure some do, probably don't know that you can get real firearm red dots for the same price of cheaper, that are probably better. I wouldn't recommend it to those checking it out. You'd probably be better off with something that isn't "airsoft"
 
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Discussion Starter #12
I think that mounting a sight on top of a carry handle is probably too tall as well. Anyway, I'm with what Jeep said, this thing is targeted towards airsoft kids. Most of them, I'm sure some do, probably don't know that you can get real firearm red dots for the same price of cheaper, that are probably better. I wouldn't recommend it to those checking it out. You'd probably be better off with something that isn't "airsoft"
i realy dont understand your point so i would like your opinion about the following.

1.I am using an m-16a2 so i can't remove the handle .
2.the combination of acog-docter is by far the most light weight and for me weight is a big issue.
3.the combination of acog-docter is the most ussefull (because of the eye relief) so i can make quick transitions between the two sights.
4.i have the iron sights in case of a mallfunction and there is a very small chance that both optics will mallfunction
5.if a had money to spend i would buy the real thing but i dont and i will probably never will(exept maybe a real mini dot)
6. those cheaper real firearms red dots or other optics are build in the same chineese or whatever 3rd world factorys and are probably if not the same thing , from the same materials as the ones sold to the airsoft market . PROBABLY THE SAME THING .
7. i will buy a second pair of facog-docter and it will cost me 240$ max with the wing mount .

taking the above in mind please tell me what would you recomend or just state your opinion.
 
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Discussion Starter #13
It's not a weight issue it's a height issue. Think about how tall your rifle will be if it was a carry handle, acog, and doctor type optic. That's pretty tall but I have never tried it before so all I have is what I think it will be like.

I'm not saying it's a bad idea it just seems to make the rifle huge. I am actually liking my FACOG on my detach carry handle right now and would love to add a doc type optic to the top for CQ goodness.

I have no doubt it's a smokin deal just seems big to me is all.
 
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Discussion Starter #14
i realy dont understand your point so i would like your opinion about the following.

1.I am using an m-16a2 so i can't remove the handle .
2.the combination of acog-docter is by far the most light weight and for me weight is a big issue.
3.the combination of acog-docter is the most ussefull (because of the eye relief) so i can make quick transitions between the two sights.
4.i have the iron sights in case of a mallfunction and there is a very small chance that both optics will mallfunction
5.if a had money to spend i would buy the real thing but i dont and i will probably never will(exept maybe a real mini dot)
6. those cheaper real firearms red dots or other optics are build in the same chineese or whatever 3rd world factorys and are probably if not the same thing , from the same materials as the ones sold to the airsoft market . PROBABLY THE SAME THING .
7. i will buy a second pair of facog-docter and it will cost me 240$ max with the wing mount .

taking the above in mind please tell me what would you recomend or just state your opinion.
Howdy prodromosdelta,

I will first start off by saying that I am NOT a specialist in AR's and do NOT have experience with all of their accessories. I do have extensive experience with AR rifles and other rifles, their weights, heights, length of pull, etc. I am aware of the "doctor", but not what it costs, etc. The first thing that I've noticed is that the "doctor" adds about 7moa to your f/acog. The site is already taller than what I personally consider to be optimum height, and the doctor is then adding 7moa to that (not a good thing). I would personally say that if you are just hell bent on using optics as your primary sighting system for your rifle, then you need to invest a flat top AR. This might mean that you'd need to sell your A2 top and try to spend part of that $240 that you had planned to spend on your f/acog and the doctor and put towards the flat top. That might mean you have to save a little bit to put a facog on that flat top but it would end up with a much more comfortable and in my opinion, better rig. I personally like to do things right once, even if I have to wait a little bit to get it. This might not be what you like to do, and therefore, you are more than welcome to go with whatever option you like.

Something that I did want to mention is just because optics roll out of the same factory, does NOT mean that they are even close to the same quality. Especially in optics, you get exactly you pay for. You can check out the higher end BSA scopes and compare them to the cheap cat's eye BSA scopes, and you will see a large difference. The cat's eyes fail more often, have even worse glass, etc. The optic might work for what you want it to, but it might just be $200 that you washed down the drain thinking that it could hold up to the recoil. You could probably spend about $40 more and end up with an optic that is known by many to be reliable and has a lifetime warranty. Hope this helps and best of luck to you on whatever you decide.
 
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