When batteries die in a red-dot, you have nothing....when batteries dies in an illuminated reticle scope, most of the time you still have black crosshairs to work with.
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The battery life in those things is ridiculous. EOTech has some that are either 1100 hours or 200 hours, Bushnell's Holosight is 320. I mean if you change the battery once a year or so you should be fine.mdjamesd said:When batteries die in a red-dot, you have nothing....when batteries dies in an illuminated reticle scope, most of the time you still have black crosshairs to work with.
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yeah, but Murphy's law states........ batteries always die at the wrong time, and have substantially shorter lives in the cold.Lazarus said:The battery life in those things is ridiculous. EOTech has some that are either 1100 hours or 200 hours, Bushnell's Holosight is 320. I mean if you change the battery once a year or so you should be fine.
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Same could be said about your car in a SHTF situation but I bet you are going to break out the Huffy to get the heck outta dodge. :mrgreen:mdjamesd said:yeah, but Murphy's law states........ batteries always die at the wrong time, and have substantially shorter lives in the cold.
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At no time is an optic a replacement for iron sights... even on a pistol (AR pistol in this case).
Yes Mr. Murphy loves to mess with operation and battery life. This is especially true in the lower grade optics (sub-$200) . This is one of those things where if you're just running the gun at a range or the odd training class, then you'll be fine. If you're out kicking doors and chasing Hadji.. well there's a few damn good reasons why AimPoint and EOTech are the sights of choice for the military. AimPoint claims something close to 50,000 hours on one CR2 battery (ML3's and late gen ML2's). EOTech comes in at something like 1100 hours. I believe that's for the CR123 itterations.
Optics are one of those things where you truely get what you pay for. Again if you're just plinking or testing out a type of optic - for example, the AimPoint knock offs or Fake ACOG's - then sure, drop a little bit of cash, decide if the basic concept and system work for you.. and then go drop the big bucks.
Always have back up iron sights! Always!
Yes Mr. Murphy loves to mess with operation and battery life. This is especially true in the lower grade optics (sub-$200) . This is one of those things where if you're just running the gun at a range or the odd training class, then you'll be fine. If you're out kicking doors and chasing Hadji.. well there's a few damn good reasons why AimPoint and EOTech are the sights of choice for the military. AimPoint claims something close to 50,000 hours on one CR2 battery (ML3's and late gen ML2's). EOTech comes in at something like 1100 hours. I believe that's for the CR123 itterations.
Optics are one of those things where you truely get what you pay for. Again if you're just plinking or testing out a type of optic - for example, the AimPoint knock offs or Fake ACOG's - then sure, drop a little bit of cash, decide if the basic concept and system work for you.. and then go drop the big bucks.
Always have back up iron sights! Always!
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I would go with a red dot for an AR pistol. If you are going to use a scope, your gonne want a good cheak weld. If you use a red dot, you just look through the tube, put the red dot on what you want to hit, and pull the trigger. I would recomend shelling out the extra dollars for an EOTech. They are just simply incredible, reliable, and durable. Remember, you get what you pay for, pay a lot now or a lot later.
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That's why I like my trijicon Reflex (no batteries) 15 year life on the tritium. Plus I don't have to adjust the brightness it does it for me. I pick the gun up it's ready to go no turning a switch on. But for 100 or less I'd just pick up a cheap red dot. If its a serious home defense weapon save your cash and buy a nice optic, if its for plinking somthing cheap is fine.http://www.trijicon.com/user/parts/products1.cfm?PartID=119&back_row=0&categoryID=8
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my brother has a 20 dollar red dot from M1Surplus.com
His has been shot about 60 rounds and its still on zero. not sure of the battery life yet, its' only 2 months old and the 60 rounds were in one outing...
but for 20 bucks in a home defense situation, you could fit the whole bad guy in the sight ring and fire. IF the batteries didn't work.
Red dot sights aren't designed for sniping, so even if the zero slips some in close quarters it shouldn't matter.
just remember the price usually -and i do mean usually, not always - dictates the quality.
for what its worth - i bought the 30 dollar red-dot on sale from the same site, but its a regular scope-type red-dot, completely surrounded. NCStar i think.
I understand its not the same 'quality' or price, but for 30 dollars its worth a try. if it doesn't last two years i'll pay for a good one. but for 30 its hard to just say "scr3w it its junk".
my .02
His has been shot about 60 rounds and its still on zero. not sure of the battery life yet, its' only 2 months old and the 60 rounds were in one outing...
but for 20 bucks in a home defense situation, you could fit the whole bad guy in the sight ring and fire. IF the batteries didn't work.
Red dot sights aren't designed for sniping, so even if the zero slips some in close quarters it shouldn't matter.
just remember the price usually -and i do mean usually, not always - dictates the quality.
for what its worth - i bought the 30 dollar red-dot on sale from the same site, but its a regular scope-type red-dot, completely surrounded. NCStar i think.
I understand its not the same 'quality' or price, but for 30 dollars its worth a try. if it doesn't last two years i'll pay for a good one. but for 30 its hard to just say "scr3w it its junk".
my .02
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bdw293 said:That's why I like my trijicon Reflex (no batteries) 15 year life on the tritium. Plus I don't have to adjust the brightness it does it for me. I pick the gun up it's ready to go no turning a switch on. But for 100 or less I'd just pick up a cheap red dot. If its a serious home defense weapon save your cash and buy a nice optic, if its for plinking somthing cheap is fine.http://www.trijicon.com/user/parts/products1.cfm?PartID=119&back_row=0&categoryID=8
Umm, that thing is listed at $520!!
YIKES!
I could get an ACOG for not much more!
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Only reason I have it is I have nothing in it out of my pocket. I bought a gun at a pawnshop ( they didn't no what they had) sold it at a gunshow the next morning profited 350 cash in 12 hours bought a EO Tech 552 NIB out the door for 350 bucks didn't like it to much traded it to a guy who gave me 100 dollars boot and the reflex sight. Trust me I don't have that kinda cash laying around.But I would not hesitate to buy another. If you look on EBAY there about 425.00 with the mount new so thats not to bad.BBunin said:Umm, that thing is listed at $520!!
YIKES!
I could get an ACOG for not much more!
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Don't buy a cheap optic. Plan on spendign at least $300 or so for a used Eotech. If you can scape together more a nice low power variable with an illuminated rectical is about the best you can do for a multipurpose optic. The Trijicon Accupount 1.25-4 power with an fiberoptic and tritium powered recitcal is a nice choice but it will set you back $550 or so.nic nice said:im looking for a decent/somewhat cheap red dot or scope for my AR pistol.
something under a $100 would be great, but im open to opinions.
TIA
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I agree you always need to have BUIS. (Back up Iron Sight)jdavionic said:I have knowledge of ARs but not AR pistols. If you put either on, do you still have the use of iron sights? I am completely unwilling to give up on iron sights on a gun.
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I have the same thing...Mine is still working after about two years... I'd say I got my $30 worth out of it!eric_t12 said:NCStar i think. I understand its not the same 'quality' or price, but for 30 dollars its worth a try. if it doesn't last two years i'll pay for a good one. but for 30 its hard to just say "scr3w it its junk".
my .02
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