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Discussion Starter #1
Well I ordered an RRA 20" Varminter from AR15Sales.com on 12/06/07 and it just arrived in NH today. Better build time then I expected from RRA.

I'll get it shipped over to my FFL and hopefully I can have it before NY passes their new proposed ban to outlaw the gun!

It's all in the timing!!
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I think I would make the drive over there to pick it up myself. Make sure you show us lots of pics when you get it. Waiting sure sucks.
 
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I'll get it shipped over to my FFL and hopefully I can have it before NY passes their new proposed ban to outlaw the gun!
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This is news to me. Do you have any info about a NY ban? Besides the same old postban compliant garbage?
 
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Congrats, Bree. We'll be expecting pics :)
+1 I guarantee you will be pleased with the RRA. I have the 24" Varminter and it rocks. Holds very tight grouping's, even with standard 55gr steel cased Wolf Ammo. RRA rules #1... JMO :D :mrgreen: :p
 
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Thanks guys! As soon as it comes in I will get PIX and post them on this thread.

This is news to me. Do you have any info about a NY ban? Besides the same old postban compliant garbage?
This is a very nasty one. VERY NASTY

S T A T E O F N E W Y O R K
7331
2007-2008 Regular Sessions
I N A S S E M B L Y

April 10, 2007
___________

Introduced by M. of A. TITONE, KOON, LAFAYETTE, COOK -- Multi-Sponsored
by -- M. of A. BOYLAND, GLICK, D. GORDON, GOTTFRIED, MAYERSOHN, PERRY
-- read once and referred to the Committee on Codes

AN ACT to amend the penal law and the general business law, in relation
to banning the possession, sale or manufacture of assault weapons and
to repeal subdivision 22 of section 265.00 of the penal law relating
thereto

THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF NEW YORK, REPRESENTED IN SENATE AND ASSEM-
BLY, DO ENACT AS FOLLOWS:

1 Section 1. The New York state legislature finds that semi-automatic
2 assault weapons are military-style guns designed to allow rapid and
3 accurate spray firing for the quick and efficient killing of humans. The
4 shooter can simply point - as opposed to carefully aim - the weapon to
5 quickly spray a wide area with a hail of bullets. Gun manufacturers have
6 for many years made, marketed and sold to civilians semi-automatic
7 versions of military assault weapons designed with features specifically
8 intended to increase lethality for military applications. As a result,
9 approximately 2,000,000 assault weapons are currently in circulation in
10 the United States. These weapons have been the weapon of choice in the
11 most notorious mass shootings of innocent civilians in the United
12 States, including the 1999 massacre at Columbine High School (TEC-DC9
13 assault pistol and Hi-Point Carbine) and the 2002 Washington, D.C.-area
14 sniper shootings (Bushmaster XM15 assault rifle). According to FBI data,
15 between 1998 and 2001, one in five law enforcement officers slain in the
16 line of duty was killed with an assault weapon. In 2003, New York lost
17 two of its finest when undercover officers in the elite Firearms Inves-
18 tigation Unit of the NYPD Organized Crime Control Bureau were brutally
19 murdered while attempting to purchase an illegal TEC-9 semi-automatic
20 assault weapon. The availability of military-style assault weapons poses
21 a serious threat to the public health and safety. Most citizens, includ-

EXPLANATION--Matter in ITALICS (underscored) is new; matter in brackets
{ } is old law to be omitted.
LBD05833-01-7

A. 7331 2

1 ing most gun owners, believe that assault weapons should not be avail-
2 able for civilian use.
3 S 2. Subdivision 22 of section 265.00 of the penal law is REPEALED and
4 a new subdivision 22 is added to read as follows:
5 22. "ASSAULT WEAPON" MEANS ANY:
6 (A) SEMI-AUTOMATIC OR PUMP-ACTION RIFLE THAT HAS THE CAPACITY TO
7 ACCEPT A DETACHABLE MAGAZINE AND HAS ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING:
8 (I) A PISTOL GRIP;
9 (II) A SECOND HANDGRIP OR A PROTRUDING GRIP THAT CAN BE HELD BY THE
10 NON-TRIGGER HAND;
11 (III) A FOLDING, TELESCOPING OR THUMBHOLE STOCK;
12 (IV) A SHROUD ATTACHED TO THE BARREL, OR THAT PARTIALLY OR COMPLETELY
13 ENCIRCLES THE BARREL, ALLOWING THE BEARER TO HOLD THE FIREARM WITH THE
14 NON-TRIGGER HAND WITHOUT BEING BURNED, BUT EXCLUDING A SLIDE THAT
15 ENCLOSES THE BARREL; OR
16 (V) A MUZZLE BRAKE OR MUZZLE COMPENSATOR;
17 (B) SEMI-AUTOMATIC PISTOL, OR ANY SEMI-AUTOMATIC, CENTERFIRE RIFLE
18 WITH A FIXED MAGAZINE, THAT HAS THE CAPACITY TO ACCEPT MORE THAN TEN
19 ROUNDS OF AMMUNITION;
20 (C) SEMI-AUTOMATIC PISTOL THAT HAS THE CAPACITY TO ACCEPT A DETACHABLE
21 MAGAZINE AND HAS ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING:
22 (I) A SECOND HANDGRIP OR A PROTRUDING GRIP THAT CAN BE HELD BY THE
23 NON-TRIGGER HAND;
24 (II) A FOLDING, TELESCOPING OR THUMBHOLE STOCK;
25 (III) A SHROUD ATTACHED TO THE BARREL, OR THAT PARTIALLY OR COMPLETELY
26 ENCIRCLES THE BARREL, ALLOWING THE BEARER TO HOLD THE FIREARM WITH THE
27 NON-TRIGGER HAND WITHOUT BEING BURNED, BUT EXCLUDING A SLIDE THAT
28 ENCLOSES THE BARREL;
29 (IV) A MUZZLE BRAKE OR MUZZLE COMPENSATOR; OR
30 (V) THE CAPACITY TO ACCEPT A DETACHABLE MAGAZINE AT ANY LOCATION
31 OUTSIDE OF THE PISTOL GRIP;
32 (D) SEMI-AUTOMATIC SHOTGUN THAT HAS ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING:
33 (I) A PISTOL GRIP OR A VERTICAL HANDGRIP;
34 (II) A FOLDING, TELESCOPING OR THUMBHOLE STOCK;
35 (III) A FIXED MAGAZINE CAPACITY IN EXCESS OF FIVE ROUNDS; OR
36 (IV) AN ABILITY TO ACCEPT A DETACHABLE MAGAZINE;
37 (E) SHOTGUN WITH A REVOLVING CYLINDER;
38 (F) CONVERSION KIT, PART, OR COMBINATION OF PARTS, FROM WHICH AN
39 ASSAULT WEAPON CAN BE ASSEMBLED IF THOSE PARTS ARE IN THE POSSESSION OR
40 UNDER THE CONTROL OF THE SAME PERSON; OR
41 (G) MODIFICATIONS OF SUCH FEATURES, OR OTHER FEATURES, DETERMINED BY
42 RULES AND REGULATIONS OF THE SUPERINTENDENT OF STATE POLICE TO BE
43 PARTICULARLY SUITABLE FOR MILITARY AND NOT SPORTING PURPOSES. IN ADDI-
44 TION, THE SUPERINTENDENT OF STATE POLICE SHALL, BY RULES AND REGU-
45 LATIONS, DESIGNATE SPECIFIC SEMIAUTOMATIC CENTERFIRE OR RIMFIRE RIFLES
46 OR SEMIAUTOMATIC SHOTGUNS, IDENTIFIED BY MAKE, MODEL AND MANUFACTURER`S
47 NAME, TO BE WITHIN THE DEFINITION OF ASSAULT WEAPON, IF THE SUPERINTEN-
48 DENT OF STATE POLICE DETERMINES THAT SUCH WEAPONS ARE PARTICULARLY SUIT-
49 ABLE FOR MILITARY AND NOT SPORTING PURPOSES. A LIST OF ASSAULT WEAPONS,
50 AS DETERMINED BY THE SUPERINTENDENT OF STATE POLICE, SHALL BE MADE
51 AVAILABLE ON A REGULAR BASIS TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC.
52 PROVIDED, HOWEVER, THAT SUCH TERM DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY WEAPON THAT HAS
53 BEEN RENDERED PERMANENTLY INOPERABLE.
54 S 3. Section 265.00 of the penal law is amended by adding three new
55 subdivisions 24, 25 and 26 to read as follows:

A. 7331 3

1 24. "DETACHABLE MAGAZINE" MEANS ANY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICE, THE
2 FUNCTION OF WHICH IS TO DELIVER ONE OR MORE AMMUNITION CARTRIDGES INTO
3 THE FIRING CHAMBER, WHICH CAN BE REMOVED FROM THE FIREARM WITHOUT THE
4 USE OF ANY TOOL, INCLUDING A BULLET OR AMMUNITION CARTRIDGE.
5 25. "MUZZLE BRAKE" MEANS A DEVICE ATTACHED TO THE MUZZLE OF A WEAPON
6 THAT UTILIZES ESCAPING GAS TO REDUCE RECOIL.
7 26. "MUZZLE COMPENSATOR" MEANS A DEVICE ATTACHED TO THE MUZZLE OF A
8 WEAPON THAT UTILIZES ESCAPING GAS TO CONTROL MUZZLE MOVEMENT.
9 S 4. Section 265.20 of the penal law is amended by adding a new subdi-
10 vision d to read as follows:
11 D. POSSESSION OF AN ASSAULT WEAPON ON PROPERTY OWNED OR IMMEDIATELY
12 CONTROLLED BY THE PERSON, OR WHILE ON THE PREMISES OF A LICENSED
13 GUNSMITH FOR THE PURPOSE OF LAWFUL REPAIR, OR WHILE ENGAGED IN THE LEGAL
14 USE OF THE ASSAULT WEAPON AT A DULY LICENSED FIRING RANGE, OR WHILE
15 TRAVELING TO OR FROM THESE LOCATIONS, BY A PERSON WHO LAWFULLY POSSESSED
16 SUCH WEAPON PRIOR TO JANUARY FIRST, TWO THOUSAND EIGHT AND WHO, PRIOR TO
17 APRIL FIRST, TWO THOUSAND EIGHT:
18 1. RENDERS THE ASSAULT WEAPON PERMANENTLY INOPERABLE; OR
19 2. SURRENDERS THE ASSAULT WEAPON TO THE APPROPRIATE LAW ENFORCEMENT
20 AGENCY AS PROVIDED FOR IN SUBPARAGRAPH (F) OF PARAGRAPH ONE OF SUBDIVI-
21 SION A OF THIS SECTION; OR
22 3. REGISTERS THE ASSAULT WEAPON AS PROVIDED FOR IN SUBDIVISION SEVEN
23 OF SECTION THREE HUNDRED NINETY-SIX-FF OF THE GENERAL BUSINESS LAW.
24 S 5. Subdivision 7 of section 396-ff of the general business law is
25 renumbered subdivision 8 and a new subdivision 7 is added to read as
26 follows:
27 (7) THE DIVISION OF STATE POLICE SHALL NO LATER THAN JANUARY FIRST,
28 TWO THOUSAND EIGHT, PROMULGATE RULES AND REGULATIONS FOR THE ADDITION OF
29 INFORMATION IDENTIFYING ASSAULT WEAPONS LAWFULLY POSSESSED PRIOR TO
30 JANUARY FIRST, TWO THOUSAND EIGHT TO THE DATABANK ESTABLISHED BY THIS
31 SECTION. SUCH RULES AND REGULATIONS SHALL, AT A MINIMUM, SPECIFY PROCE-
32 DURES BY WHICH THE OWNER OF AN ASSAULT WEAPON LAWFULLY POSSESSED PRIOR
33 TO JANUARY FIRST, TWO THOUSAND EIGHT IS TO DELIVER AN ASSAULT WEAPON AND
34 VERIFICATION OF A BACKGROUND CHECK REQUIRED BY 18 USC S 922 TO THE
35 REGIONAL PROGRAM FOR TESTING AND PROMPT RETURN. UPON RECEIPT OF THE
36 SEALED CONTAINER AND INSPECTION OF A CERTIFICATE PROVING THAT A BACK-
37 GROUND CHECK HAS BEEN CONDUCTED AND THE OWNER IS NOT PROHIBITED FROM
38 POSSESSING A FIREARM, THE DIVISION OF STATE POLICE SHALL CAUSE TO BE
39 ENTERED IN THE AUTOMATED ELECTRONIC DATABANK PERTINENT DATA, INCLUDING
40 BALLISTIC INFORMATION RELEVANT TO IDENTIFICATION OF THE SHELL CASING AND
41 TO THE ASSAULT WEAPON FROM WHICH IT WAS DISCHARGED, AND THE DATE AND
42 PLACE OF THE BACKGROUND CHECK AND THE NAME OF THE INDIVIDUAL WHO
43 CONDUCTED SUCH BACKGROUND CHECK.
44 S 6. Severability. If any provision or term of this act is for any
45 reason declared unconstitutional or invalid or ineffective by any court
46 of competent jurisdiction, such decision shall not affect the validity
47 or the effectiveness of the remaining portions of this act or any part
48 thereof.
49 S 7. This act shall take effect January 1, 2008.

A$$HOLES
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S 6. Severability. If any provision or term of this act is for any
45 reason declared unconstitutional or invalid or ineffective by any court
46 of competent jurisdiction, such decision shall not affect the validity
47 or the effectiveness of the remaining portions of this act or any part
48 thereof.
So they are saying that if the SCOTUS declares that the DC ban is unconstitutional that they are basicly going to go "we don't care we are keeping our law."?
 
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Discussion Starter #12
Congrats on the new rifle.

Good thing they're banning compensated handguns and thumbhole rifle stocks :rolleyes:

Edit: so i'd have to register my hi-point carbine as an "assault weapon"? what a bunch of tards.
 
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So they are saying that if the SCOTUS declares that the DC ban is unconstitutional that they are basicly going to go "we don't care we are keeping our law."?
Nah... Severability clause... if part of this is declared unconstitutional whatever is left that IS constitutional will stay in force. The whole law doesn't go down the chutes... just the bad part.

Smart evil lawyers.
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I think if this were to pass that they would knock out 10/22's as well. It's a horrorshow in this state. You ought to see the list of bills sitting in the NY legislature. It's simply unbelievable. Total insanity.
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Pete's a good man. He beat several competitors prices by at least $100 on my RRA 9mm.
He sure is! The local gun store said it would be 3 or 4 months for them to get a Varminter built by RRA. Pete got er built and delivered to NH in 47 days. He had told me about 6 weeks for the build and he delivered on the promise. I am very happy. My FFL FAX'ed over his license and ship to info so this baby should be in the hands of FedEx tomorrow.
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Looks like open class for USPSA will be illgal in new york. They are compensated and hold 28 rounds.

What a-wipes
 
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Well it ain't over till the fat lady sings! They haven't passed the ban yet. They will have a LOT of VERY unhappy voters if they do.
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Yeah. 28 round mags are already illegal in NY unless they are pre-1994.

Bree, what are some details on your build? I'm guessing A3 with bull barrel. Is the barrel fluted? Standard mil-spec lower parts and BCG? Chambered in .223 remington or wylde?
 
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Yeah. 28 round mags are already illegal in NY unless they are pre-1994.

Bree, what are some details on your build? I'm guessing A3 with bull barrel. Is the barrel fluted? Standard mil-spec lower parts and BCG? Chambered in .223 remington or wylde?
RRA Varminter A4 Flat Top,
20" Stainless Steel, Wilson Air-Gauged, Bull Barrel (non fluted, 1:8 twist .920" diameter in front of the gas block),
.223 Wylde,
9.2 lbs,
2-stage RRA Match Trigger,
RRA Winter Trigger Guard,
Hogue Pistol Grip,
Hogue Free Float Tube,
Ace ARFX Skeleton Stock.

Scope is on high mount rings...
Accushot 30mm 4-16x56mm Illuminated Range Estimating MilDot (Green, Red & Black dots) with 80mm Parallax Adjust Wheel & 4" Sun Shade.

This is the gun with the scope (no parallax wheel) after some Photoshop magic since it isn't here yet.

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