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Discussion Starter · #1 ·
So my father in law bought a Bushmaster Target last week and its in my possession to sight in and possibly turn full auto if I can find the parts etc. Can anybody out there link me to a how to and maybe a list of parts for what I need to do this? Thanks guys!!!!

:: Also, what about a 22lr conversion?
 
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You fill out the necessary BATF forms, then buy the drop in auto sear conversion, and then the rest of the M-16 parts.
 
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You'll need to buy a receiver that is legally a select fire. Expect to pay about 14-20K for this.

If you have in your possession a full auto trigger group and an AR, even if it is only semi-auto you are now commiting a felony, 100K fine and up to 5 years in prison....

There are a few legal systems to convert a stock AR to select fire, but these again are on a Form 4 from the ATF and not cheap.

I wouldn't even bother to try, let alone post your desire to convert an AR to select fire on a public forum.
 
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This is in a gun made after 1986 I presume. You might be able to purchase a registered full auto sear and install in it, but it's VERY pricey if you can legally do it in a reciever made after the 1986 ban. If you're trying to cobble up new parts to make it full auto for a couple hundred bucks and get around the $15,000 full auto registered parts, you're asking for a trip to Club Fed.
 
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A drop in auto sear will not fit in the gun without machining to the rear area, current AR lower receivers have a built up area in rear that prevents you from doing this. Possession of both the gun and the full auto parts shows intent and you are currently breaking the law in a way that could get you more then 10years in a federal pound you in the ass prison.
 
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if you want a full auto rifle, its gonna be a hell of alot easier for you to join up. because that's the only way you will be able to get one without spending the better part of your youth in prison as Mac's girlfriend. and do you honestly think that you could tote that auto rifle down to the range and get away with it? you would either get kicked out or an LEO who happens to be target shooting could be there and bust your ass. So like i said, join up, or give up
 
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sharpstick said:
Possession of both the gun and the full auto parts shows intent and you are currently breaking the law in a way that could get you more then 10years in a federal pound you in the ass prison.
Don't be fooled by those $50 drop in auto sears advertised in Shotgun news. While some may have been made before 1986 they were never registered and therefore constitute an illegal MG when in possesion of an AR15.

Do a little reading on the M16 section of AR15.com. I'm definately not as qualified to answer all of your questions as some over there are.

You may also do well to contact a dealer of NFA items and talk with them about the process, investment, and qualifications that need to be fulfilled.
 
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limblessbiff said:
if you want a full auto rifle, its gonna be a hell of alot easier for you to join up. because that's the only way you will be able to get one without spending the better part of your youth in prison as Mac's girlfriend. and do you honestly think that you could tote that auto rifle down to the range and get away with it? you would either get kicked out or an LEO who happens to be target shooting could be there and bust your ass. So like i said, join up, or give up
In MN you can legally carry a full auto rifle with the MN permit to carry!
as long as the gun is legal
 
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Regarding .22 conversions. They're pretty easy and very worthwhile. I think the last batch of .223 ammo I bought was well over $0.20 a round and currently .22 ammo is going for $0.03 or less a round, so the savings are significant.

You can go either the dedicated upper reciever route or go with a conversion. The dedicated upper route is more expensive but I think it can give you greater reliability, where as the conversion will allow you to shoot .22 ammo out of your existing upper.

Conversion.
Mags are readily available and the system is a tried and true military conversion.

I'm having trouble finding complete .22 lr uppers but they're out there.
 
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To even discuss what it would take to convert a semi can be a felony. It can be considered a conspiracy to create a machine gun even if nobody actually converts anything. This is not a topic which should be discussed.

If you want a machine gun, buy a registered gun. That's the way you do it. You can't convert. By law, you can't even discuss converting. There may be rare exceptions such as registered sears, but that is a topic to be discussed elsewhere.
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AKM said:
To even discuss what it would take to convert a semi can be a felony. It can be considered a conspiracy to create a machine gun even if nobody actually converts anything. This is not a topic which should be discussed.

If you want a machine gun, buy a registered gun. That's the way you do it. You can't convert. By law, you can't even discuss converting.
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Wow, the thought police really do exist? loosen up the band on your tinfoil hat.
 
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Well everybody - I had NO IDEA about the legalities of this. I just figured that the parts might be available to do this. I figured that the background checks would have to be done, but didnt know about how extensive a process and how costly it was to do. The shop we bought the AR from had their class III license so they had fully auto stuff and ran in the 10k range so I just thought there might be a cheaper way to go. Guess not haha. About the 22lr conversion, sounds like that might be what we end up doing. Thanks again everybody and sorry for posting such a hot topic!
 
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You are not a manufacturer, so don't even try it. If you want one, go buy one. There is nothing good to come of it. And DO NOT purchase anything that could remotely turn any weapon you own, or have care, control, or 'custody' of........even if the intent isn't shown- you 'could' still be seen as having a NFA weapon.
 
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einheit 13 said:
You are not a manufacturer, so don't even try it. If you want one, go buy one. There is nothing good to come of it. And DO NOT purchase anything that could remotely turn any weapon you own, or have care, control, or 'custody' of........even if the intent isn't shown- you 'could' still be seen as having a NFA weapon.
Good piece of advise.
 
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