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Discussion Starter · #1 ·
I have very little knowledge about these black rifles so bear with me here. I have been putting off buying one, but with the current political climate I think I need to go ahead and get one before it's too late.

What is the difference between the AR-15 and the M4? Will AR-15 mags work in M4s? Between the AR-15 and the M4 which would you buy?

I look to you guys to point me in the right direction! Thanks!
 
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Most of the 16" AR15s with an adjustable stock are considered an M4gery.
Fixed it.

You will not be able to buy an M4. Ever.

The M4 is a fully auto capable weapon manufactured for military purposes. Civilian ownership is a big no-no.

AR15s built to look like an M4, affectionately known as M4geries, are very popular however.

The biggeset difference is the FCG and "fun switch" ;)
 
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Discussion Starter · #4 ·
My bad

Not enough coffee yet.

Why can't a civilian own a select fire M4 if they get the stamp?

Are you just saying that the M4 is only for the military designation and even a select fire AR15 that the police or civilians own is just a select fire AR15?
 
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Discussion Starter · #5 ·
Why can't a civilian own a select fire M4 if they get the stamp?
M4's were never manufactured prior to 1986. So they can never be legally owned by a civilian

Are you just saying that the M4 is only for the military designation and even a select fire AR15 that the police or civilians own is just a select fire AR15?
Pretty much.

Any AR15 that has been converted to select-fire, uses parts manufactured and registered prior to 1986. the parts required to convert an AR to select-fire require the same forms/licenses as a registered MG and usually end up costing just about as much :(
 
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Discussion Starter · #7 ·
M4's were never manufactured prior to 1986. So they can never be legally owned by a civilian
My buddy's got one. IIRC it started as an M16 though, and the upper and buffer tube were changed.Throws a whole nother angle into the M4 debate. :lol: One of the most fun guns I've ever shot.
 
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Discussion Starter · #11 ·
Well..... That's something else entirely ;)

Little bit more involved than simply getting your C3, too :lol:
 
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Discussion Starter · #12 ·
M4 is a Colt variant of an AR-15, so technically only Colt brand AR-15s of that model can be referred to as M4's.
 
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Discussion Starter · #13 ·
Well, I am still going to refer to my Armalite M4C as my M4!
+1 Me too!


M4 is a Colt variant of an AR-15, so technically only Colt brand AR-15s of that model can be referred to as M4's.
M4 is a military designation. Therefore, COLT does not own the name M4. This has been hashed out in court already when Colt was suing everyone for using the M4 name and finally lost when it was realized that M4, M16, M60, etc are all military designations.

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Discussion Starter · #14 ·
I have very little knowledge about these black rifles so bear with me here. I have been putting off buying one, but with the current political climate I think I need to go ahead and get one before it's too late.

What is the difference between the AR-15 and the M4? Will AR-15 mags work in M4s? Between the AR-15 and the M4 which would you buy?

I look to you guys to point me in the right direction! Thanks!
A true M4 is an M16 but has a 14.5" barrel with A2 upper.
M16A1 has a non-removable carry handle, non-elevation rear sight. Whoops - fixed.
M16A2 is a 20" non-removable carry handle
M16A3 is a FA 20" non-removable carry handle
M16A4 is a 20" flat top with removable carry handle

AR is the civilian semi only version of the M16.

If you live in a free state, you can buy a M16 lower that is pre '86 and put the 14.5" barreled upper on it and technically, it'll be as close to an M4 as you can get. To buy a "true" M4, you can't because it's not a pre '86 weapon.

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Discussion Starter · #15 ·
M4 is a Colt variant of an AR-15, so technically only Colt brand AR-15s of that model can be referred to as M4's.
Actually Colt lost their lawsuit. Other brands have been calling their rifles M4's.

M4 is just a military designation just like the way the military designated the Abrams tank an M1 MBT, the Bradley an M2 (and M3) Infantry Fighting Vehicles. Even the Humvee has a designation, M998. The Military likes to designate everything "M" Something.

Now back to the M4:
Basically it is just a select fire AR15. The original M4's are 3 round burst, and M4A1's are full auto. They also have a flatop receiever to easily mount optics, a collapsable stock, and 14.5" barrel with a notch for a M203. Notice how "M203" is another designation, this one is for a particuliar grenade launcher :).

Now M4forgeries to me are any AR15 with a 14.5 or 16" barrel, a flat top reciever, and and a collapsable stock.
 
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Discussion Starter · #16 ·
Actually Colt lost their lawsuit. Other brands have been calling their rifles M4's.

M4 is just a military designation just like the way the military designated the Abrams tank an M1 MBT, the Bradley an M2 (and M3) Infantry Fighting Vehicles. Even the Humvee has a designation, M998. The Military likes to designate everything "M" Something.

Now back to the M4:
Basically it is just a select fire AR15. The original M4's are 3 round burst, and M4A1's are full auto. They also have a flatop receiever to easily mount optics, a collapsable stock, and 14.5" barrel with a notch for a M203. Notice how "M203" is another designation, this one is for a particuliar grenade launcher :).

Now M4forgeries to me are any AR15 with a 14.5 or 16" barrel, a flat top reciever, and and a collapsable stock.
I stand corrected then.

I guess nothing's safe anymore. Wonder how long until another manufacturer releases an M9 pistol.
 
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Discussion Starter · #17 ·
not really off topic but... i was on youtube and doing a search for M4 and AR15 and I come up on a video about noveske and guess who i saw on the comment section mr. cartman himself...

"Noveske's are overpriced boutique safe queens. But they are dam nice rifles! That's why I bought on too ;-)" by EriccartmanR1

unless there's an EriccartmanR1Forgery out there!

:)

k, i'm bored at work and this detox diet crap my doctor put me on is making me loopy!
 
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Discussion Starter · #18 ·
Any AR15 that has been converted to select-fire, uses parts manufactured and registered prior to 1986. the parts required to convert an AR to select-fire require the same forms/licenses as a registered MG and usually end up costing just about as much :(
Is there really any difference between the pre 1986 parts to convert the AR to select fire and the parts that are used currently in the M4?
 
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Discussion Starter · #19 ·
not really off topic but... i was on youtube and doing a search for M4 and AR15 and I come up on a video about noveske and guess who i saw on the comment section mr. cartman himself...

"Noveske's are overpriced boutique safe queens. But they are dam nice rifles! That's why I bought on too ;-)" by EriccartmanR1

unless there's an EriccartmanR1Forgery out there!

:)

k, i'm bored at work and this detox diet crap my doctor put me on is making me loopy!

yep that was me ;-) :lol:
 
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Discussion Starter · #20 ·
A true M4 is an M16 but has a 14.5" barrel with A2 upper.
M16A1 has a non-removable carry handle, non-windage rear sight.
M16A2 is a 20" non-removable carry handle
M16A3 is a FA 20" non-removable carry handle
M16A4 is a 20" flat top with removable carry handle
Eh, theyre windage adjustable...
 
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